Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVII – Fortnight, Not Fortnite

[Ola]

OMG OMG OMG OMG THERE IS A GOD:

4. Isn’t there some sort of cap contained in the CBA limiting the number of Rangers on the Lightning? Apparently not, given Tampa Bay’s substantial scouting presence at the Garden last week. The league’s best team is on the hunt for a righty defenseman. Kevin Shattenkirk, for whom the Lightning had completed a conditional deal prior to the 2017 deadline before the defenseman rejected it, shoots right. Just saying.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Shattenkirk has looked very good lately. His contract isn't in albatross levels. With a little retention Shattenkirk should fetch a decent return, not require us to eat a bad deal just to get rid of him. That makes no sense. I'd rather just keep him. There's no way I'm trading him for Callahan who's been a healthy scratch at times this season.

 

[Thirty One]

Shattenkirk to TB. Rangers retain 50%. Callahan back to the Rangers.

Larry doesn't want to trade anyone. I don't believe he understands what the Rangers are trying to do. Carp is another one. The Rangers lose 5 in a row. He brings up the lottery and Hughes. The Rangers win 3 in a row. We shouldn't talk about the lottery and Hughes.

The Rangers have to retain 50% and retain on Callahan?

When I first read that Brooks piece my immediate reaction was Callahan + for Shattenkirk. I would imagine Tampa would prefer the Callahan ++ for nothing route, though, as their cap issues are real.

 

[Tawnos]

Shattenkirk has looked very good lately. His contract isn't in albatross levels. With a little retention Shattenkirk should fetch a decent return, not require us to eat a bad deal just to get rid of him. That makes no sense. I'd rather just keep him. There's no way I'm trading him for Callahan who's been a healthy scratch at times this season.

Shattenkirk's been playing well, but he's not providing much beyond what Pionk and DeAngelo do. If someone wants him, I'd move him just to free things up on the blueline.

But I also agree that trading him for a cap dump doesn't make any sense. TB needs to pay us to take Callahan, not the other way around.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Say what you will about Larry, but this quote is very much the truth:

"We’ve said it before and will say it again: Making decisions based on the proposition that your team won’t be in position to win for another five years becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy."

It's why rebuilding can be very tough. You need to hit on your picks and make the right moves. A few wrong moves and you're the Oilers, some smart movies and good fortune and you're the Leafs.

 

[Ola]

On a serious note, I am all for trading Zuccarello, don't get me wrong, but I do think the number of people being against trading Shatty since he is a UFA signing vs the number of people who are against trading Zucc who is a homegrown kid who has left everything on the ice for us year in and year out and certainly taken less to stay here -- might be an indication of a problem with this franchise...

 

[Ola]

Shattenkirk has looked very good lately. His contract isn't in albatross levels. With a little retention Shattenkirk should fetch a decent return, not require us to eat a bad deal just to get rid of him. That makes no sense. I'd rather just keep him. There's no way I'm trading him for Callahan who's been a healthy scratch at times this season.

Shattenkirk's been playing well, but he's not providing much beyond what Pionk and DeAngelo do. If someone wants him, I'd move him just to free things up on the blueline.

But I also agree that trading him for a cap dump doesn't make any sense. TB needs to pay us to take Callahan, not the other way around.

He makes 6.6m per and is 0+1 in his last 8 while being minus 4. Are you guys giving him the standard NYR UFA handicap/discount? If a kid played like that he would be trashed pretty bad...

 

[East Coast Bias]

On a serious note, I am all for trading Zuccarello, don't get me wrong, but I do think the number of people being against trading Shatty since he is a UFA signing vs the number of people who are against trading Zucc who is a homegrown kid who has left everything on the ice for us year in and year out and certainly taken less to stay here -- might be an indication of a problem with this franchise...

What? Not one word of this is correct.

Zucc

-pending free agent
-rumored to return good things

Shatty

-2 more years on contract
-rumored to return Ryan Callahan

 

[Do you want ants]

On a serious note, I am all for trading Zuccarello, don't get me wrong, but I do think the number of people being against trading Shatty since he is a UFA signing vs the number of people who are against trading Zucc who is a homegrown kid who has left everything on the ice for us year in and year out and certainly taken less to stay here -- might be an indication of a problem with this franchise...

Zucc is an UFA this season and Shatty is not.

And most people would like to let Shatty try and rebuild his valid before we waste assets to move him.

 

[Ola]

What? Not one word of this is correct.

Zucc

-pending free agent
-rumored to return good things

Shatty

-2 more years on contract
-rumored to return Ryan Callahan

I am referring to all the posts going something like "We can't trade Shatty since he took less to sign here".

 

[Thirty One]

Shattenkirk's been playing well, but he's not providing much beyond what Pionk and DeAngelo do. If someone wants him, I'd move him just to free things up on the blueline.

But I also agree that trading him for a cap dump doesn't make any sense. TB needs to pay us to take Callahan, not the other way around.

I would absolutely trade him for a lesser cap dump, but I would need more convincing if that guy is Callahan.

 

[JohnC]

HFNYR waiting for OLA to post legitimate reasons (that also make sense) to trade Shattenkirk:

 

[Ola]

HFNYR waiting for OLA to post legitimate reasons (that also make sense) to trade Shattenkirk:

I am going to pitch a new one, we are rebuilding. Shatty don't have a ton of miles left. Thoughts?

We have one of the most expensive bluelines in the league, and one of the worst. Its full of vets. Did I say that we are rebuilding?

 

[Avery16]

What? Not one word of this is correct.

Shatty

-2 more years on contract
-rumored to return Ryan Callahan

Who rumored this

 

[Machinehead]

I see no point to retreading Ryan Callahan, but it would have outstanding meme value.

 

[haohmaru]

Why? Its extremely low risk, particularly to secure the first from Tampa and get another pick.

Callahan is a shell of his former self, but the Rangers aren't going to compete anytime soon, have the cap space to do it, hopefully aren't going to do something silly on the free agent market, and Callahan can be a good mentor-type player for a season.

Why? Because I don't believe that he's got the mindset that "the Rangers aren't going to compete anytime soon", I don't think Callahan would be all aboard leaving a team that's competing for a Stanley Cup, and I don't think Tampa attempts a thing like this until the off season.

Depends on what your mindset is - are the Rangers going into UFA season this July without a dollar to spend because of absorbing a contract like Callahan's or not? I don't think Gorton goes this route.

 

[Off Sides]

Ola and I have been on the try to trade Shattenkirk train for a long time.

I may be a little more reserved about it, I don't think swapping cap dumps one for one is quite where his value lies, yet as part of a possible larger deal something that includes the swapping of cap hits even if the Rangers take back far more in cap hits is something I think they should be all ears on.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

He makes 6.6m per and is 0+1 in his last 8 while being minus 4. Are you guys giving him the standard NYR UFA handicap/discount? If a kid played like that he would be trashed pretty bad...

Meh, I just think he's looked good lately. I know the stats aren't there, but just watching he's looked pretty good. Much better than earlier in the season anyway.

I'm not opposed to moving him, just moving him for Callahan makes no sense. Shattenkirk isn't in the "we just need to get rid of him" category yet. I'd keep him and hope he can put up some decent stats next year and re-up his value if a deal like this is the best we could do. It's not like we're in cap trouble and need to move him.

Wait, is the UFA bump a thing? I feel like it's the other way around - the kids usually get tons of chances and benefit of the doubt and the UFA (or any player on a big ticket deal) gets criticized for every little thing.

 

[effen]

Eating Shattenkirk/Staal/Smith's last few years gracefully > "creative" ways to deal with terrible contracts

No shortcuts. NO. BAD HFNYR POSTERS. BAD.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Gorton will be dead to me if he trades Shattenkirk for Callahan

I don’t care what else is coming back with Callahan

 

[Ola]

Meh, I just think he's looked good lately. I know the stats aren't there, but just watching he's looked pretty good. Much better than earlier in the season anyway.

I'm not opposed to moving him, just moving him for Callahan makes no sense. Shattenkirk isn't in the "we just need to get rid of him" category yet. I'd keep him and hope he can put up some decent stats next year and re-up his value if a deal like this is the best we could do. It's not like we're in cap trouble and need to move him.

Wait, is the UFA bump a thing? I feel like it's the other way around - the kids usually get tons of chances and benefit of the doubt and the UFA (or any player on a big ticket deal) gets criticized for every little thing.

I actually agree with you, I think he has been a lot better too. Was just trying to stir things up. Recently there haven't been a ton of support for Pionk, ADA and co.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Gorton will be dead to me if he trades Shattenkirk for Callahan

I don’t care what else is coming back with Callahan

I dislike cally as much as anyone...


But depending on what else come back with him, it’s be foolish not to consider it.

Plus it keeps him from potentially getting his name on the cup.

 

[Ola]

I dislike cally as much as anyone...


But depending on what else come back with him, it’s be foolish not to consider it.

Plus it keeps him from potentially getting his name on the cup.

Yeah I agree. But we couldn't be getting crap back. If its Shatty at say 30% retention for Cally and an asset, Gorton shouldn't even consider it if that assets is worth less than say Cal Foote.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah I agree. But we couldn't be getting crap back. If its Shatty at say 30% retention for Cally and an asset, Gorton shouldn't even consider it if that assets is worth less than say Cal Foote.

I think there is reasonable middle ground between just cally and Cal Foote

 

[DanielBrassard]

Shattenkirk to TB. Rangers retain 50%. Callahan back to the Rangers.

Larry doesn't want to trade anyone. I don't believe he understands what the Rangers are trying to do. Carp is another one. The Rangers lose 5 in a row. He brings up the lottery and Hughes. The Rangers win 3 in a row. We shouldn't talk about the lottery and Hughes.

Horrible trade for the Rangers unless TB is giving us a shitload of assets with Callahan.