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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVII – Fortnight, Not Fortnite
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Lion Hound
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The only person that seems to think he will re-sign as a NYR is Dave Maloney. He's mentioned it 2 times already in while commentating on pre-game analysis. Everyone else seems to think he gone.
Thaaaaaaank you - as much as people don’t like Puljujarvi, folks on here are hung up on a third rounder who has SOME skill and can’t remain healthy, ever? Puljujarvi has a better resume too, not even close to Buchnevich’s, which is why I think he can still put it together as a 20 year old. Chill guys, Buchnevich is not Kovalev, not even cut from the same cloth as him.
Kocur Dill
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Rangers scouting Sharks "regularly" according to a link in a thread in the HFB Trade forum.
Bobcast mentions Red Wing fan wondering if SJ interested in Jimmy Howard, Bob's thoughts were SJ didn't meet the ask of a 1st having dealt to OTT and Buff for Karlson/Kane.
Yes, Gorts regime is very close to the chest with their hand when they want to be. One player, very unlike the usual suspects could quietly be on the move to any destination HE chooses out of loyalty and respect, oh, and media disaster.
How bad do we get when Hayes, Zucc, etc are gone?
What goalie wants to face that next 2 months?
Is Georgiev ready for a trial by fire?
Maybe Hank is "low key" on the move and San Jose sounds like a lovely 180 from NY. Clean break, fresh restart, quiet town, Karlsson.
Rangers might take alternate assets than a 1st if SJ is Hanks only demand, to go quietly.
Suspicious indeed.
As I mentioned the other night I heard it on pretty good authority as well. I don’t think Dave is wrong. Pretty sure that’s the plan they have in mind. They want the assets for him first
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
A 2019 3rd round pick is different than a 3rd round pick that is currently playing for us.
Whether Buchnevich is Kovalev or not, is 100% irrelevant. What we know is that Buchnevich can produce at the NHL level. Puljujarvi it remains to be seen.
SA16
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That's good production for an 18 year old. Better than both Chytil/Andersson. Worse than Nylander.
LaffyTaffy
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Dreger has said that about every single player so far, Rangers might resign him in the summer. Its not a rebuild if you just lease out your players for assets and then ice the same team the next year.
SA16
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I wasn't even really referring to Buchnevich much. Just threw it in. There have been at MOST five first line forwards taken in the 3rd round of the last 14 years (maybe ignore the 3 most recent drafts) and then a handful of 2nd liners. Marchand for sure. Then whatever you think of Trocheck/Point/Guentzel/Dadonov. Personally, I wouldn't count Dadonov since it took him 10 years. Holding on to that is really so valuable? Buchnevich is a way above average 3rd round pick for a forward.
How is it not a rebuild? Yankees did just that. Acquired a lot of assets and turned it around quick. Why cant that be done?
The Rangers have Six 1st Round Draft Picks from the last Three Drafts. Howden, Lias, Chytil, Kravtsov, Miller, Lundkvist. They have a bunch of picks behind those guys. But they will be adding potentially 1-3 more 1st round picks after this draft. I would hardly say you are icing the same team next year because you bring back one of Hayes/Zucc. Especially if you sign 1-2 of the premium Free Agents while also having an infusion of all those 1st round picks. Some are here already, so then a progression in development.
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If we went by pure production without names, if any team knew they could draft a player who would put up 81 points in his first 153 NHL games, he'd be a 1st round pick.
To me that sort of screams, bridge him and try to figure it out as the reward there could be pretty significant.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
There is a massive difference between trading a 2019 3rd round pick and Buchnevich (who is a former 3rd round pick). I am not sure he gets that.
I'd trade a 2nd for Puljujarvi. I'd even trade a 2nd + 3rd. But I am not trading Buchnevich for him. You know what I mean?
quick question for you guys, I get we want to trade our assets and not resign these players for the "rebuild" but if rangers trade Zucc and Hayes and don't resign them in off season .. who will take their place in the line up ? Rangers don't have anyone in the farm that will be able to play 82 games. they can't dress 12 forwards now .... Free agency we saw bottom 6 players getting 3-4 years deal for 2-4 million . i don't see that being a good option
Well, for starters, the Yankees already had built up a pretty exceptional farm system before their 2016 selling spree.
Lets please not fall into the Rangers most of their history/New York Knicks garbage of being a couple players/1 or 2 free agents away from quickly contending again. You would think MSG teams have f***ed that theory up enough to not want to try it again. This rebuild will take patience. That letter went out to the fans only a year ago.
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The reason to like Puljujärvi now is the same reason to like DeAngelo this summer: Because he has shown unequivocal elite talent as a prospect and there are mitigating factors as to why he hasn't broken out yet. Is it a sure thing he will? No. But there is elite upside there and if that is available cheaply you should do it every time.
It will not work out every time, e.g. Sam Bennett is running out of excuses in Calgary. Though for the price of a 3rd round pick I'd roll the dice there as well - there are some positives to be found if you dig into his underlying stats.
It will not work out every time, e.g. Sam Bennett is running out of excuses in Calgary. Though for the price of a 3rd round pick I'd roll the dice there as well - there are some positives to be found if you dig into his underlying stats.
SA16
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The Yankees did not rebuild. They traded pretty much exclusively upcoming UFA in a lost year in trades that ended up being massively lopsided in their favor.
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I'd definitely put my money on Puljujarvi turning into an NHL player over a random 2nd rounder. Dont see any reason why Edmonton would make that trade though for the same reasons.
I'm glad I'm not alone in my interest in Puljujarvi anymore. It's always interesting to see how players in other franchises are evaluated compared to our own. For example, this board loves Chytil and rightfully so. He had a great D+1 season with 31 points in 46 games in the AHL; A .67 point per game pace. Jesse Puljujarvi had a 28 points in 38 games; a .71 PPG pace.
Both players saw time in the NHL in their second year. JP scored at a .30ppg clip while FC is pacing at .35ppg.
JP is now being bounced up and down the lineup on a team that is a total Trainwreck. They switched coaches mid year and now the new coach is calling out the team. That group is rotten.
Now there are plenty of things Puljujarvi needs to work on, but I think he could be revitalized in a new environment. One where he's not under the pressure to be the 3rd overall pick who was projected to be McDavids running mate for the next decade. It just comes down to the price.
Both players saw time in the NHL in their second year. JP scored at a .30ppg clip while FC is pacing at .35ppg.
JP is now being bounced up and down the lineup on a team that is a total Trainwreck. They switched coaches mid year and now the new coach is calling out the team. That group is rotten.
Now there are plenty of things Puljujarvi needs to work on, but I think he could be revitalized in a new environment. One where he's not under the pressure to be the 3rd overall pick who was projected to be McDavids running mate for the next decade. It just comes down to the price.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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I don't want Puljujarvi—if for no other reason than I don't want to have read about someone referred to as "Pool Party".
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It's always dumb when people even talk about moving a struggling prospect like Puljujarvi. As has been stated, his value is probably a mid round pick. Why would EDM even bother trading him for trash like that? They wouldn't. They are gonna keep him and try to develop him and hope he rights the ship.
I would give up our 2nd rounder and someone like Vesey for him but if I was EDM that still wouldn't do much for me.
I would give up our 2nd rounder and someone like Vesey for him but if I was EDM that still wouldn't do much for me.
LORDE
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What has he shown that gives you conviction, aside from being a high pick? History is littered with top-10 busts.
Hayes and Karlsson targeted wirh Zucc namestnikov and Shattenkirk moved out. Potentially one of buchnevich or fast as well.
I think that’s the plan.
I think that’s the plan.
LaffyTaffy
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I’m fine with bringing back one of Hayes or Zucc, im not fine with bringing back every player we traded. Especially considering that Hayes’ next contract is going to be like 7 years at 6.25. Why acquire all these exciting assets for them to lose icetime to the very trade bait vets that they were traded for. Zucc doesn’t sign back with the NYR without an NMC, Hayes would want a limited NTC, MCQ won’t take the league minimum.
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