Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVII – Fortnight, Not Fortnite
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pld459666
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I cant stress this enough.
If Hayes is dealt to Boston, which I am fairly confident will never happen, its strictly as a rental.
He is not staying there beyond the duration of the length of time that the Bruins are playing this year.
It's not happening.
And because the Bruins know this, they are not going to offer anything that makes sense for the Rangers meaning its LESS likely he gets traded there.
If Hayes is dealt to Boston, which I am fairly confident will never happen, its strictly as a rental.
He is not staying there beyond the duration of the length of time that the Bruins are playing this year.
It's not happening.
And because the Bruins know this, they are not going to offer anything that makes sense for the Rangers meaning its LESS likely he gets traded there.
pld459666
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Hayes doesn't want to play for the Bruins.
There is no upper hand if he gets traded there.
He had no interest in signing there as a young UFA and that hasn't changed.
I disagree in that they are completely different. The Yankees sold off pieces and added to what they had been building in their farm system. They stockpiled a lot of talent on the high end. The Rangers have done the same. No their prospects have not blossomed yet but there is still time to develop. The Rangers system is deeper imo and their prospects can climb the system fast getting NHL ice time.
I just dont think we are in a 5 year rebuild. I said 3. This is year 1. For anyone to say condifently otherwise is just lying and guessing. This team can look completely different next year in terms of talent and competitiveness. There is nothing wrong with adding talent via free agency. Maybe they dont compete next year but in ‘20-‘21? Year 3 of the “rebuild” they start to push forward. That is year 2 of a contract to Panarin and/or Hayes or someone else.
That Yankee farm system had been built over a while though.
It's not like they had one full draft and all of a sudden had all these pieces. They also have had the good fortune of hitting on a ton of guys who have been pretty much immediate impact players.
Not just Judge, Sanchez and Severino, but Andujar and Torres too.
It also helps that Judge is like the MLB equivalent to Ovechkin. We don't have that level of player in our system.
Totally agree with that sentiment. I'm not advocating for him as a centerpiece in a Kreider deal, but I wouldn't be opposed to him and another good piece for Buchnevich. I know a lot of folks balk at that but it's close for me.
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The next few drafts should really help them in that regard. Top 7 in this draft look good, Next year we have top 8 all looking like top picks. 2021 looks good. Chytil and Kravstov have good offensive upside, then there is also depth in the system. Its just not here yet. I dont think anyone should talk about the rebuild being over or consider big name UFA's until after the 2020 draft.
I agree with this. These things take time, as much as people want results right now.
Some have wanted to dive head first into the UFA market from the second this started. Would have been doomed to fail.
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To be fair couldnt the same happen for the Rangers. Hitting on a lot of draft picks. We have a ton of 1st round picks as well as 2nds and 3rds, etc. There is strong chance the same happens.
We need it to happen before we discuss it as a sure thing though. I'd love to see one guy step up and become an immediate impact player, let alone 5
Signing UFA's this summer will likely get in the way of them landing that level of talent unless they pull one out of their ass or trade for that guy.
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You need to be able to adjust your plan when unexpected circumstances occur. You go into it with the plan to rebuild over a few years but your expectation is not to have a FA class with two elite first line wingers and the best defenseman in the league. When that happens, and you have a ton of cap space, you have to strongly consider changing your plan to bring a guy like that in a little earlier than intended. Bringing in Panarin/Stone/Karlsson is not the same as bringing in Ladd/Okposo/Lucic. Especially when people are strongly advocating for re-signing our best winger who is older and not as good as the guys available.
I take the risk on a guy with that size and speed, who put up very good rookie AHL numbers 2 years ago over an average 2nd rounder. Certainly not saying he is a future stud but I just dont see how he isn't more likely to carve out a legitimate NHL career than what you normally will find in the 2nd round overall.
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I did say next year’s 7th round is a strong one.
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I'm thinking it's plausible more and more UFA classes will be seen as better as time goes by.
There seems to be at least two factors at play, teams are sort of becoming more and more leery of signing any could decline player to long term, and given that the players seem less willing to sell off UFA years within that contract that contains both RFA and UFA years likely because they know their next contract will be partially based on if they are closer to 26 years old at that time or if they are closer to 30-31 years old if not older.
Toronto for example signed both Matthews and Nylander and were only able to buy one UFA year in each of those deals.
Another factor is if more higher end players end up accruing seasons starting at age 19 instead of what used to be the pretty standard 20. They are going to be UFA eligible at age 26 instead of 27, if they only sell one or two UFA years, that is ages 27-28 where they could be hitting the market.
Not trying to say teams should bank on that, just the trends seems to be adjusting a little bit.
There seems to be at least two factors at play, teams are sort of becoming more and more leery of signing any could decline player to long term, and given that the players seem less willing to sell off UFA years within that contract that contains both RFA and UFA years likely because they know their next contract will be partially based on if they are closer to 26 years old at that time or if they are closer to 30-31 years old if not older.
Toronto for example signed both Matthews and Nylander and were only able to buy one UFA year in each of those deals.
Another factor is if more higher end players end up accruing seasons starting at age 19 instead of what used to be the pretty standard 20. They are going to be UFA eligible at age 26 instead of 27, if they only sell one or two UFA years, that is ages 27-28 where they could be hitting the market.
Not trying to say teams should bank on that, just the trends seems to be adjusting a little bit.
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Toronto did that because they don't have the cap space to buy up more UFA years and keep team together
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Possible, yet that would also be another factor into why the UFA classes could be getting better, if the cap ceiling teams don't have the cap space to buy up more UFA years.
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