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There are some veteran UFAs this summer they can sign for a year or two.
Spezza
Pominville
Williams
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There are some veteran UFAs this summer they can sign for a year or two.
Spezza
Pominville
Williams
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Is this from the same "very good authority" you cited regarding the plan to trade Hayes and re-sign him in the summer, or what you personally think the plan is based on that piece of info?
Because there isn't a Judge, Sanchez or Severino in the system.
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No idea what their plan is, mine would be similar to last deadline, and the similar plan as was last off-season.
Mostly stockpile by selling, see if anything more major can be done concerning the players who have some term left. Likely bring back some useful albeit under whelming current NHL players as semi cap dumps.
Hope to win the lottery but if not try to have a good draft.
Fill out the team a little bit with depth need be, likely cheaper short term signings, bridge the RFAs, hope the youth and prospects take the next step and watch the prospect rankings thread become more and more optimistic.
Mostly stockpile by selling, see if anything more major can be done concerning the players who have some term left. Likely bring back some useful albeit under whelming current NHL players as semi cap dumps.
Hope to win the lottery but if not try to have a good draft.
Fill out the team a little bit with depth need be, likely cheaper short term signings, bridge the RFAs, hope the youth and prospects take the next step and watch the prospect rankings thread become more and more optimistic.
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Expectations have a lot to do with it. The expectations for a 4th overall pick are different than those for a 21st overall pick. The first is a disappointment and the second a steal, even though they have similar production in each of their first 2 years.
That said, Puljujarvi is in his D+3 year and only has 9 points in 44 games. If he were near .5 points per game, I think people would feel better about him. He's only playing 11:57 per game. Why is that? This isn't a team that has a lot of depth/scoring. I would think that they would give their former 4th overall pick more time, if not at even strength, then at least on the PP, but he doesn't get PP time either.
Maybe he's a defensive liability. Maybe his effort is inconsistent or he has a bad attitude. From the outside looking in, I can't say. But there's got to be some reason why a player with his offensive skill set isn't getting more time on a team that desperately needs offense.
Early on, there were questions surrounding all of those guys. The least amount of questions seemed to surround Sanchez. But they all did not hit their stride in development until they were around 22 years old. We have kids here between 18-20 years old. How do we know we dont have 1 elite player in that group? Or 2?
To say the Yankees system was more equipped is a bit of a reach. They did not have the depth of high picks the Rangers have had. It is hard to compare across leagues because the drafting system/length is different, but the Rangers are right there imo. And there kids are playing at the pro level right now. They are going to improve. They wont all fail. I know we are a pessimistic group but there is a future here with the kids we have already drafted.
Also, I am not saying the team will be fully ready to compete next season, but the following one? Why not. They can afford both Hayes and Panarin. Salary will be coming off the books in the next 2 years to create breathing room and be able to extend your young players. In 2 seasons, Chytil will be in his 3rd season. Howden his 2nd. Lias essentially his 2nd. Hajek, Lundkvist, and Lindgren could be mainstays on the blueline in 2 seasons. And that is year 3 of the “rebuild”.
This does not have to be a 5 year rebuild. If it is then we did something wrong. 3 years. 3rd year you can see the team make the playoffs and compete. Yes you want to get ice time to your young kids but look at a team like Tampa who has inserted their kids on the 3rd and 4th lines. Hasnt seemed to have stunted their development. They roll 4 lines because of great depth. You need veterans and elite talent. You can get a guy like Panarin and it would do wonders for the young kids to have that type of talent to play with. Zib-Kreider line 1 with a kid. Hayes-Panarin line 2 with a kid. That is a great path of development for a Chytil or a Kravtsov or whomever they draft this year....praying for Kakko.
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Top line will likely be w/out Mats Zucarrello. His replacement is already in the system, #89. While he has very much been on a down year, he also is playing half the year so far with Cody McLeod. I am a big proponent to players who seize opportunity when its presented. When KZB was first formed, they were fantastic together. #89 now has 153 NHL games under his belt. He certainly has the creativity. He also has 2 linemates who are excellent together. #20, and #93 carry the line. First line IMO will be fine.
Rounding out the top 6 is where it gets a little iffy. Chytil as a 19 yr old has been ok. There is uncertainty if he can play C or if he is better suited at the Wing. He has played 63 NHL games. I think he would be the player Quinn goes with at 2C to start the season, and maybe get a vet to play on the wing. Maybe Fast, maybe Names? I wouldn’t be surprised if the club address this at the trade deadline with a player coming back. If they can’t they will probably look into a player via free agency.
There are “stop gap” options via free agency. Short term players that can full in, wouldn’t cost a fortune and can slide up and down 2nd and 3rd line minutes and also serve as mentors to the younger players. Spezza, maybe Pavelski or Eberle? Lesser players like Alex Chaisson. How much is he going to cost? He has 17 goals this season in 46 games. Of course, there are the bigger names as well. Panarin of course. He was on the Rangers radar. He wanted big city. I wouldn’t count the NYR out of the race for him, even with sings pointing to Florida.
Of course there will also be the option to play Kravtsov. This year Chytil, Howden and Andersson all got a chance to compete. Chytil stuck. All 3 (barring any trades) will have a chance, as will Kravtsov. Who knows where his transition will be, but he will indeed get a chance.
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Aaron Judge hit 52 HR's in 2017. He finished 2nd in the AL MVP & won the RoY that season.
Luis Severino finished 3rd in the AL Cy Young voting in 2017.
Luis Severino finished 3rd in the AL Cy Young voting in 2017.
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Why are people comparing this to the Yankees? EVERYTHING about the two scenarios is different aside from the "we're rebuilding" philosophy.
Everything runs differently in hockey than baseball. The market values and what's considered value for players and the types of trades that happen is drastically different in baseball than hockey, as well as the types of prospects that get moved, prospect timelines post draft, contract expectations, salary cap implications (no hard cap) and so on.
The Yankees were rebuilding, the Rangers are rebuilding. Both teams play in New York. Any comparison ends there. It's beyond stupid to try and draw direct parallels past the extreme broadest of strokes.
Every sport is it's own little world the way contracts work and how GMs function and what's considered normal and what the market value of players is in contracts and in trade value. Comparing hockey to any other sport is just stupid. Flat out.
Everything runs differently in hockey than baseball. The market values and what's considered value for players and the types of trades that happen is drastically different in baseball than hockey, as well as the types of prospects that get moved, prospect timelines post draft, contract expectations, salary cap implications (no hard cap) and so on.
The Yankees were rebuilding, the Rangers are rebuilding. Both teams play in New York. Any comparison ends there. It's beyond stupid to try and draw direct parallels past the extreme broadest of strokes.
Every sport is it's own little world the way contracts work and how GMs function and what's considered normal and what the market value of players is in contracts and in trade value. Comparing hockey to any other sport is just stupid. Flat out.
The Yankees didn't rebuild - they did more of a re-tool. But, why are we even discussing that? Different game. Different systems. Different players.
Why are some people here so afraid of a full rebuild? Embrace the suck. Keep acquiring picks and young assets. Develop those players. Build a new core. Then go to war. Look at free agency to fill the holes.
Why are some people here so afraid of a full rebuild? Embrace the suck. Keep acquiring picks and young assets. Develop those players. Build a new core. Then go to war. Look at free agency to fill the holes.
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Boston was all over Hayes when he went the free agent route out of college and he didn't sign there then.
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Baseball players develop on a different time line than hockey players, can't really bring age into it.
Regardless, I don't see anyone in the system who fill finish 1 or 2 in the Calder or top 3 for another major award early in their career.
Unless of course they win the lottery this year.
Sure, expectations are a part of it but some of them aren't realistic. Timelines vary from player to player in spite of their draft position. You only need to look back one year prior to JPs draft and see a prime example. Dylan Strome was a complete bust according to a lot of posters until a month ago and is at nearly a PPG with Chicago. Prospect development is as much about environment and fit as it is talent. Take the expectations off a kid and great things can happen.
Now do I expect JP to be a PPG player with us? No, but I could easily see him being a 25G 30A player for a long time. For the right price he's absolutely worth a gamble.
As for why he's struggling and his usage, I think he's a victim of coaching. One coach who didn't trust him or care to use him, and another who thinks he has to bring him along as slow as possible. Hes decent enough defensively for a winger, IMO. What I see is a kid that is getting crushed under the weight of expectations in a market that is ready to storm the gates at Rogers Place and clean house.
Why not? I don't think I would attribute that scenario a high probability, but I don't think its impossible either.
While all of that is true, it needs to be noted that the Yankees were quietly re-dedicating themselves to a solid farm system years before their 2016 selling at the deadline. THAT is where the Rangers and Yankees are most different. The Rangers had a good 5 year period where they sold off everything that wasn't nailed down in hopes of getting them over the top. Their farm system stinks. It's just starting to come back due to the moves of the last year or so. Im glad it seems like Gorton isn't stupid enough to think selling off at 2 trade deadlines is the elixir to compete as soon as next year. They've got a long way to go.
Exactly, hence why you offer sheet Puljujärvi, 4m per and 2 years. If he doesn't perform you can walk away from the qualifier after 2 years. If you desperately regret it after one year you can buy him out for 650k per over 2 years.
The compensation would be a 2nd rounder. EDM can't afford to match it.
The kid is 3 months older than Lias and a little younger than Howden, not long ago he pwned the U20 WJC as a 17 y/o with 17 pts in 7 games and alone carried Finland to gold in the U18 (without Laine and Aho). He had a great POs in the SM-liiga as a 16 y/o. He is 6'5 and has a really heavy slapper. He has great instincts around the net, clutch player. If you go back to his draft year many described him as a great skater, someone that can build up speed and just blow past a defense. But keeping up with the tempo in the NA game has been an issue for him. It don't suits him at all to not play a lot with the puck, in terms of style he is more of a Jagr-esque type of player. Should have the puck as much as possible. Was insanely stupid by EDM to rush him to the NHL while he was still growing, went from 6'2 to 6'5 basically from a year before he was drafted until the end of his first NHL season. He has zero confidence and very very little support on a horrible NHL team.
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I would expect our scouts to do their homework on him and if they believe that he will thrive in a different environment, I'd be game. However, I don't believe that the Rangers would be willing to risk significant assets to find out, and I don't believe that Edmonton would accept less than significant assets to trade him, so I think it's a non-starter. But hey, if Edmonton is willing to trade him at the draft for a late 2nd (Tampa's if they don't win the cup maybe), then maybe that's something we do.
Wat the what? I stated it's just starting to come back, but it stunk up until they started hoarding assets a year ago. The Yankees had prospects that were fully baked and ready to contribute at the time they sold in 2016.
The Rangers system is universally regarded as top 10 in the league.
It doesn't stink. It stunk, but no longer.
It's not what the Yankee system was, that we can agree on.
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That would be our 2nd rounder though, which likely be a pretty good pick. If Tampa doesn't win the cup, or we acquire a second round pick from someone else, we'd be better off just trading that 2nd for Pulj straight up and then signing him to a more realistic contract. I guess it depends on what Edmonton is willing to accept for him. They aren't getting a 1st rounder, I don't think, though they may not be willing to trade him yet for less than that. Yes, an offer sheet would force their hand, but I'd rather not play dirty pool (pun intended) if we don't have to.
No no just my thoughts. They Hayes thing is specific
Instant Gratification is a bitch.
There are people here who would rather build the east coast Wild than the Jets/Nashville because it wouldn't take as long.
Because he wanted New York. That hasn’t changed. But no reason to give them the upper hand if gorton wants him back. Much safer shipping him to Winnipeg or Nashville
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