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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVI

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Uninstaaled said:
Yeah this I agree with.

If you're going to give Nils the spot out of camp, let him play his way out of the role before engaging in any tomfoolery. He's been in over his head, but its also been 3 games.

If he looks like this 15 games in, fine. Making the change now solves nothing.
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And I agree with this. I wasn’t able to watch the Montreal game. But outside of the mistake against Dallas I have not seen him make any massively glaring mistakes that suggest we cannot let him go out there for another 10-15 games. I think he is only going to get better with time and experience. He skates well. He passes the puck very well. He has good offensive awareness. An NHL shot that he technically beat a goalie with already but rang the post.

Absolutely crazy people would rather see Hajek or much less Bitetto. Bitetto is straight up terrible.
 
jay from jersey said:
the insurance for LaF/Kakko makes sense to me. I hope they don’t fail that would be awful. We all pretty much knew Buchs fate when kreider signed.
I think they would have loved to keep him but just not at that cost for that many years. It’s ironic as well because I’m sure once Buch was dealt, krav thought he was a lock for a top 9 spot.
I’m not as worried because with the direction I see them going in, I think they want a more north south tough and tumble bottom 6. Not solely bangers devoid of talent, but more physical players then krav that play a more in your face style. There was so much talk about getting harder to play against.
The formula for most of the last recent cup winners is the same way. Not all, but most
4th line is fine, could be better. But I see them wanting that Tampa/LA Kings cup winning type 3rd lines with Brown, Goodrow, Gourde, etc
I just don’t think krav fits that style. To me our 3rd line should look like
Goodrow-Barron-Berard/Cuylle etc
Big bodies that cycle, hit, wear down the other team, and add some offense.
Berard not very big, but like Lindgren he plays a bigger game. Pest/ north south player type
Similar to what Trotz deploys for the isles. Capitals are the same way, Bruins, etc

it’s gives you a nice mix and a different look from our East/west skill guys like Panarin/Zibby.
LaF and Kakko aren’t/won’t pushovers the more they develop, but their not Cycle/grind get the puck deep type either.
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Definitely agree with most of what you are saying. Except possibly for the Krav not fitting the style as I don't really think Krav's style is yet finalized, nor that of the team. And such adjustments can be made and often are made in order to work different players into the team tactics.

Another thing on the Buch issue though is the fact that they did extend Kreider to begin with, at 6.5 for 7 years. If you compare Buch to Kreider, IMO, Buch is the better all around player, yet he is only on a 5.6 AAV. And I know it was the previous administration, but the fact that they thought that was what Kreider was worth and not Buch, and the fact that they actually handed that contract to Kreider, likely all ready knowing what that would mean for Buch, to me shows a great lack of insight and shortsightedness. What's done is done. But even at the point Kreider was handed that contract, I think it was obvious from a hockey perspective in that Kreider's contract should have been given to Buch and probably for a few hundred thousand less than Kreider got.
 
HockeyBasedNYC said:
Kreider being the one candidate to slide down, especially the next year or two.

He still had a shot at 2RW or 1RW and a player like Kravstov might have looked at the Buchnevich deal as a sign of affirmation, but he didnt
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That’s how you know that particular report is nonsense.
 
RGY said:
And I agree with this. I wasn’t able to watch the Montreal game. But outside of the mistake against Dallas I have not seen him make any massively glaring mistakes that suggest we cannot let him go out there for another 10-15 games. I think he is only going to get better with time and experience. He skates well. He passes the puck very well. He has good offensive awareness. An NHL shot that he technically beat a goalie with already but rang the post.

Absolutely crazy people would rather see Hajek or much less Bitetto. Bitetto is straight up terrible.
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I think the Toronto game was the first time he didn't seem nervous. He's also way stronger then he looks or he's just very adept at using his body along the boards and in front of the net. I've been liking his progression so far and I think he'll be a special player. He will always be dangerous when he joins the rush and as he gets more comfortable he's going to be a menace with that shot of his. Once his shot starts to get respected around the league it will open up more lanes for him to make plays.
 
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The reaction here is like we’re the o-4 Habs. We have a few key players out and just got points in 3 of 4 games. Our depth looks good. Very happy with Goodrow and Reaves in this lineup rather than Brett Howden and Phil Jessupe. Give me a break
 
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mas0764 said:
we are four games in and down Strome, Kakko and Kravtsov. Ridiculous. An entire top 6 line basically.
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that’s why using the cap space for a D Strome makes sense

but next year both Stromes won’t fit the cap so there’s that

a rental makes sense I don’t care what anyone says lol
 
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Leetch3 said:
vegas would not. krebs is not available for eichel.
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This I know, but part of that could also be the fact that they would have to clear out 10 million dollars in cap space to absorb him and what that would do to the rest of their lineup. I'm not arguing that Vegas would absolutely be interested in what I proposed, I was just throwing it out there is an idea. They would literally be able to just add to their roster without taking anything significant off of it right now.
 
I find it interesting that there is so much lamenting the fact that Strome is out yet there were so many on this Board that wanted to push Chytl to second line duty over the summer. Listen I am not a fan of Strome and think we need to do better than him to get to the next level but if Chytl had stepped in like some thought this would be less of an issue. I don't think it is coincidence that there has not been any scoring balance the first 4 games. Only when Panarin was moved up to play with Zib did we see him thrive. Now is the time for Chytl to step up otherwise this team will struggle at times offensively. I am really concerned with Laf playing with him as I believe he will get lost in the shuffle and not be as big a threat on offense.
 
Brooksies article.... I've never heard Panarin speak so much without a translator. https://nypost.com/2021/10/20/artemi-panarin-joins-mike-zibanejad-on-rangers-top-line/

“I feel pretty good about it,” Panarin, who has struck up a special partnership with Strome over the last two years, said without use of an interpreter. “[Mika] is a great player, Kreids is a great player, scoring [three] goals so far, it’s going to be good chemistry.

“We’ve played before, too, not pretty successful but sometimes pretty well. So we’ll see what happens. But of course playing with Mika is special. He’s rich now.”

“Probably I need to work a little more [about understanding what we need to do], because last time we played, it looked like me and Mika were just waiting for the puck and just standing there,” Panarin said. “For example, the [Boston] line with [Brad] Marchand, [David] Pastrnak, and [Patrice] Bergeron, I think they have the success because they work together, and [think] the same.

“I don’t want to say that when I play with Stromer that I don’t work as hard, but Stromer knows where I am and I know where he is. That is what I mean by needing to work harder. With Mika and Kreids right now, it’s new, so there has to be more.”

“One hundred percent it was very important,” Panarin said. “To be honest, I was really nervous after the first two games but right now it’s so much better. I think we’re playing the right way. And Igor helped us too so I hope he can play like that all year.”
 
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Bruner4329 said:
I find it interesting that there is so much lamenting the fact that Strome is out yet there were so many on this Board that wanted to push Chytl to second line duty over the summer. Listen I am not a fan of Strome and think we need to do better than him to get to the next level but if Chytl had stepped in like some thought this would be less of an issue. I don't think it is coincidence that there has not been any scoring balance the first 4 games. Only when Panarin was moved up to play with Zib did we see him thrive. Now is the time for Chytl to step up otherwise this team will struggle at times offensively. I am really concerned with Laf playing with him as I believe he will get lost in the shuffle and not be as big a threat on offense.
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I think the answer is very clearly that the Rangers desperately need an upgrade at center over Chytil ASAP
 
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I have to say my interest in Tarasenko has changed. I would be curious to see what the cost would be and if they would be willing to retain any money. Kreider would have to move to the 3rd line permanently for it to work. And it would also take us out of the running for 1C-B behind Zibanejad. We could probably afford a deadline rental this year but then would have to hope Chytil or Barron blossom into a 2C as a cheap contract to fit everything
 
RGY said:
I have to say my interest in Tarasenko has changed. I would be curious to see what the cost would be and if they would be willing to retain any money. Kreider would have to move to the 3rd line permanently for it to work. And it would also take us out of the running for 1C-B behind Zibanejad. We could probably afford a deadline rental this year but then would have to hope Chytil or Barron blossom into a 2C as a cheap contract to fit everything
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Rather have the 1B center. Chances of either of those two players becoming a 2C are slim.
 
TheBloodyNine said:
I think the answer is very clearly that the Rangers desperately need an upgrade at center over Chytil ASAP
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I'd like to see Chytil at LW. He just screams winger to me. Acquiring a bonafide 3C and sliding Chytil over to LW would do wonders for the lineup IMO. Alternatively, I wouldn't mind seeing them try Laf at 3C. But I still think the Rangers are short one top-9 forward even when fully healthy.
 
Lion Hound said:
Rangers #2 C has been out for the past two games. Rangers won both. Lets see how they respond by game 10 before saying Chytil can't fill a void.
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Rangers won both those games because they played A)A bad Canadiens team in the first one and B)Their goaltender did his best "Henrik circa 2007-2012" impression in both. They only scored two even strength goals over the course of those two games. Panarin only looked like Panarin again when he was playing away from Chytil. Let's hold the parade planning.
 
TheBloodyNine said:
I think the answer is very clearly that the Rangers desperately need an upgrade at center over Chytil ASAP
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Desperately? I don't think so. Strome is the 2c this year. If the Rangers lose faith in Chytil we may see something in the offseason. It's hard to point at Chytil and blame our lack of offense on him. Panarin is passing more to the other team than the Rangers and Mika hasn't been bad but he's not in midseason form yet that is for sure. I'd rather put my trust in Laf and Kakko to improve and run the second line than finding a 1b center that will be costly in term of assets and cap space. But I don't see the rangers doing any big moves for a center this year unless someone shakes loose and asks for a trade.
 
tomobson said:
Desperately? I don't think so. Strome is the 2c this year. If the Rangers lose faith in Chytil we may see something in the offseason. It's hard to point at Chytil and blame our lack of offense on him. Panarin is passing more to the other team than the Rangers and Mika hasn't been bad but he's not in midseason form yet that is for sure. I'd rather put my trust in Laf and Kakko to improve and run the second line than finding a 1b center that will be costly in term of assets and cap space. But I don't see the rangers doing any big moves for a center this year unless someone shakes loose and asks for a trade.
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Strome won't be here next season and it's getting late early for the "Can Chytil be a top 6 center?" question. He had a mediocre camp and has not done much of anything to start the season here that would suggest that question is going to be answered in the affirmative.
 
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