Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVI

[jay from jersey]

IF, and its a big if, Krav and Nils for Larkin was on the table this summer, and Drury didn't pull the trigger...knowing everything about Krav and how he was nearing his final straw, and he didn't pull the trigger...That's a fireable offense.

According to edge, Larkin was only available if they were able to get Beniers.
I highly highly doubt Larkin is available at this point. Maybe if the wings got Eichel/Wright or something unforeseen happens in the offseason, but the way things are going, if Larkin doesn’t ask out, I doubt he’s even available.
The overpay it would probably take to even get yzerman listening is probably ridiculous at this point in time

 

[jay from jersey]

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[RGY]

I would be content with the trade off of Chytil for Larkin and promote Barron to 3C. Slide Strome to the RW on the 2nd line. Move Kakko to the 3rd line until Strome is traded at the deadline or he walks in free agency. Or finally bump Kreider down to 3rd line. That would be most ideal.

Lafreniere-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Larkin-Strome
Kreider-Barron-Goodrow
Reaves-Rooney-Blais
Gauthier, Hunt

 

[bleedblue94]

I said "IF, and its a big if" for a reason.

Right you said IF that was the offer and he didn't take it he should be fired and I'm saying that is a ridiculous statement.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

I would be content with the trade off of Chytil for Larkin and promote Barron to 3C. Slide Strome to the RW on the 2nd line. Move Kakko to the 3rd line until Strome is traded at the deadline or he walks in free agency. Or finally bump Kreider down to 3rd line. That would be most ideal.

Lafreniere-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Larkin-Strome
Kreider-Barron-Goodrow
Reaves-Rooney-Blais
Gauthier, Hunt

We would be giving up a lot more than Chytil lol

 

[RGY]

We would be giving up a lot more than Chytil lol

Chytil is already playing in this league and is what 22? Sure we may have to add a draft pick and B level prospect. But what more do you think Larkin is getting than that package?

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

No it's not. Larkin is a ufa in 2 years and IF they view nils as an elite ceiling than that could've been the deal breaker, especially with whatever draft pick they would've had to add. Yzerman always grabs picks. People complain he fleced us for years in tbl but now think some cupcake offer was on the table for Larkin? Ha

Right you said IF that was the offer and he didn't take it he should be fired and I'm saying that is a ridiculous statement.

Your point was, "especially with whatever pick they would've had to add...now you think some cupcake offer was on the table for Larkin"(see quote above)

My point is...IF the offer was Krav + Nils(I never mentioned a pick), specifically just Krav and Nils, no pick.

No pick.

If....Krav...Nils...no pick.

Your second point was "but now you think some cupcake offer was on the table". What gave you that impression? Again...IF the offer was. "IF and a big if". My entire point is contingent on the if, and the reason I said "and a big if" was because I was highly questioning it in the first place.

It aint rocket science.

 

[effen]

Chytil is already playing in this league and is what 22? Sure we may have to add a draft pick and B level prospect. But what more do you think Larkin is getting than that package?

His existence on his current team.

 

[jay from jersey]

Chytil is already playing in this league and is what 22? Sure we may have to add a draft pick and B level prospect. But what more do you think Larkin is getting than that package?

Larkin would probably cost chytil+ Lundkvist/Jones/miller and possibly more.
If he doesn’t want out or a ridiculous contract they have no reason to move him.
Also gotta figure he’s gonna cost about 8 mill per in 2 years on a multi-year deal. Maybe a little less.
Which will suck, but it’s still doable.
Wouldn’t surprise me if yzerman insisted on Schneider+Chytil+1st to move him and really crack us. Not that I think drury would accept, but something like that would be the ask

 

[Shesterkybomb]

After the Zib signing, the impending Fox signing, we're gonna be hoping Chytil or Barron can hold the 2 spot because the money atleast short term isnt gonna be there and its probably not there long term either. Watching Panarin without Strome right now is painful though, so maybe he ends up on Zibs line if Strome moves on because the best he looked since strome got hurt was the brief time in ot with Zib. So basically what I'm saying is that Larkin might not be a long term possibility that you give up good assets for after signing Zib.

 

[bleedblue94]

Your point was, "especially with whatever pick they would've had to add...now you think some cupcake offer was on the table for Larkin"(see quote above)

My point is...IF the offer was Krav + Nils(I never mentioned a pick), specifically just Krav and Nils, no pick.

No pick.

If....Krav...Nils...no pick.

Your second point was "but now you think some cupcake offer was on the table". What gave you that impression? Again...IF the offer was. "IF and a big if". My entire point is contingent on the if, and the reason I said "and a big if" was because I was highly questioning it in the first place.

It aint rocket science.

You said if it was VK and Nils for larkin than it was a fireable offense to not make that trade and I said that's not true bc it would be based on how the team views nils' future. It's not a slam dunk.

My comments on the draft pick was on top of those two guys, even without a pick involved you don't make that trade if you think Nils is legit.

If you think Nils is going to be an elite point producing top 4 d and on an ELC then you don't trade him for an under achieving center who is a ufa in 2 years especially when you'll be in a cap crunch.

That's my opinion, you're welcome to yours, but either way saying it is a fireable offense is just hyperbole...

 

[jay from jersey]

You said if it was VK and Nils for larkin than it was a fireable offense to not make that trade and I said that's not true bc it would be based on how the team views nils' future. It's not a slam dunk.

My comments on the draft pick was on top of those two guys, even without a pick involved you don't make that trade if you think Nils is legit.

If you think Nils is going to be an elite point producing top 4 d and on an ELC then you don't trade him for an under achieving center who is a ufa in 2 years especially when you'll be in a cap crunch.

That's my opinion, you're welcome to yours, but either way saying it is a fireable offense is just hyperbole...

If we’re going to overpay, Lindholm in Calgary should be the target. Signed a bit longer and will likely cost just as much as larkin.
Both teams not really looking to move either guy.
The best we can hope for is some young C to have a PLD type situation somewhere, and we send a package of Krav+ as the return.
I just think if Drury really plans/thinks he can get Larkin here long term for 8 mill, why wouldn’t he be interest in Eichel for the extra 2 mill cap.
The next 2 years, we are in pretty good shape actually from the financial side of things. It’s after 2 years where we’ll face the cap crunch. Hopefully cap goes up significantly 3 years from now

 

[jay from jersey]

You said if it was VK and Nils for larkin than it was a fireable offense to not make that trade and I said that's not true bc it would be based on how the team views nils' future. It's not a slam dunk.

My comments on the draft pick was on top of those two guys, even without a pick involved you don't make that trade if you think Nils is legit.

If you think Nils is going to be an elite point producing top 4 d and on an ELC then you don't trade him for an under achieving center who is a ufa in 2 years especially when you'll be in a cap crunch.

That's my opinion, you're welcome to yours, but either way saying it is a fireable offense is just hyperbole...

I don’t even think nils will get the kind of opportunity/ minutes to be a point producer here. There’s a slim chance I guess if he switches to LD and displaces miller

 

[bhamill]

Didn’t think I needed the sarcasm emoji.

You didn’t need it. Maybe I needed an emoji if you think I did t get it. I appreciate the humor. And not for nothing, EdJo is also purposefully over the top here, in case you’re taking it too seriously.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

If Oilers miss the playoffs again I want to go all in on trying to get McDavid, I’d even include Kravtsov in the package

When he hits UFA it is inevitable.
The Rangers are like a Flea Market. All old, less valuable items end up here.

 

[Bruner4329]

After the Zib signing, the impending Fox signing, we're gonna be hoping Chytil or Barron can hold the 2 spot because the money atleast short term isnt gonna be there and its probably not there long term either. Watching Panarin without Strome right now is painful though, so maybe he ends up on Zibs line if Strome moves on because the best he looked since strome got hurt was the brief time in ot with Zib. So basically what I'm saying is that Larkin might not be a long term possibility that you give up good assets for after signing Zib.

Chytl has basically been a non existent entity in the first 4 games. Nothing really bad and nothing really good. One thing we have seen is that he does not belong on a line with Panarin. When he played with Zibs last night Panarin showed a hell of a lot more. Chytl yes he is only 22 but needs to start showing more in his 5th year. I think he is better than what we have seen but I don't think he will ever be the stud number 2 center some on this Board proclaimed him to be. I just don't see the instincts it takes to be a 2 type center.

 

[JC704]

Chytl has basically been a non existent entity in the first 4 games. Nothing really bad and nothing really good. One thing we have seen is that he does not belong on a line with Panarin. When he played with Zibs last night Panarin showed a hell of a lot more. Chytl yes he is only 22 but needs to start showing more in his 5th year. I think he is better than what we have seen but I don't think he will ever be the stud number 2 center some on this Board proclaimed him to be. I just don't see the instincts it takes to be a 2 type center.

Always thought he looked better as a winger.

 

[QJL]

I would move Nils, Kravtsov, and Reunanen for Lindholm in a heartbeat.

 

[smoneil]

Chytl has basically been a non existent entity in the first 4 games. Nothing really bad and nothing really good. One thing we have seen is that he does not belong on a line with Panarin. When he played with Zibs last night Panarin showed a hell of a lot more. Chytl yes he is only 22 but needs to start showing more in his 5th year. I think he is better than what we have seen but I don't think he will ever be the stud number 2 center some on this Board proclaimed him to be. I just don't see the instincts it takes to be a 2 type center.

Panarin is always going to look better with Zib. Zib is a much better player than Chytil, and Zib has played with Panarin (on the PP) for 2+ years now. This is two games that Chytil has played on a line with Panarin, each game with a different RW.

After three years of strictly bottom six minutes, I think Chytil needs to get his confidence rolling. Right now, he's deferring to his veteran linemates (Laf is doing this a bit as well, though not to the same degree). The kid line actually played well down the stretch last season--the problem was that Quinn only put them together so he wouldn't have to play them. They play more relaxed with each other than they do with the vets. Why not play Bread with Zib and Strome, have the kids on line two, and put Kreider, Barron, and Goodrow together on line three? Let the top line be the Justice League and give the 2nd line space to find themselves as the Teen Titans.

 

[tomobson]

Chytl has basically been a non existent entity in the first 4 games. Nothing really bad and nothing really good. One thing we have seen is that he does not belong on a line with Panarin. When he played with Zibs last night Panarin showed a hell of a lot more. Chytl yes he is only 22 but needs to start showing more in his 5th year. I think he is better than what we have seen but I don't think he will ever be the stud number 2 center some on this Board proclaimed him to be. I just don't see the instincts it takes to be a 2 type center.

Just Chytil? The top two lines have been non-existent at 5v5 even when Strome was playing. The only player on this team that can carry Panarin if Panarin is struggling is Mika. Expecting Chytil or Strome to wake up Panarin is never going to happen. If you want a center like that we will have to trade a good amount of assets to get it done. If Panarin is going it doesn't really matter who centers him, which is why some ppl on this board was fine with just trying to get a center who could actually play center. We need Laf or Kakko to take that next step so that if one our main weapons is struggling we can move guys around to get each other going without needing to spend a ton of assets or cap space to find a #1 center to play behind Mika.

 

[Circus86]

I think the smart move would be to trade Kravtsov + Geo for a good backup goalie and a center prospect.

 

[rangers1314]

I'd imagine they practice today?

Lets see Barron in place of Goat.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

You said if it was VK and Nils for larkin than it was a fireable offense to not make that trade and I said that's not true bc it would be based on how the team views nils' future. It's not a slam dunk.

My comments on the draft pick was on top of those two guys, even without a pick involved you don't make that trade if you think Nils is legit.

If you think Nils is going to be an elite point producing top 4 d and on an ELC then you don't trade him for an under achieving center who is a ufa in 2 years especially when you'll be in a cap crunch.

That's my opinion, you're welcome to yours, but either way saying it is a fireable offense is just hyperbole...

Yeah I think when I said it, I had all the other things he's done in the back of my mind as well. Very concerned with what Drury has done so far. The buch trade, his involvement in this Kravstov drama ect, has me concerned that he has a giant ego and is a big asshole. I hope he doesn't have that rep with other GM's because that is not beneficial to this team.

 

[McRanger92]

I would have as well, but Larkin to NYR is deader then disco imo.
Seider looks like the real deal, hroneck is solid, zadina and bertuzzi look really good, hell, even Rasmussen is looking like a legit 3C nhl player. They got Cossa/Raymond/etc coming, smart 4th line trades for Tampa guys like Stephens and Erne.... long story short their young guys are coming, some quicker then expected.
Larkin was just named captain, Michigan native, yzerman is going to resign him. He’s young enough to be part of their rebuild.
Much like how we were built, it can’t just be youngster. You need some vets. Especially being able to maybe drop Larkin in a 2C role for them eventually, it makes no sense at this point for them to trade him. Literally next to zero.
The only way he leaves is if he asks out, and I just don’t see it.
Dvorak was such a missed opportunity for us as you know. We could really use a 2-way C that’s young, on a good contract, good at face offs, and can contribute 50-60 pts.
He was the get imo.
Besides doing carnival cartwheels to make the cap work, besides Eichel, there’s not much available.
Not crazy about Hertl, I think is only a matter of time before he’s a Bruin as well.
Maybe a William Karlsson or chandler Stephenson in a 3-way with Eichel going to Vegas.??? Likely won’t be this year at least
Drury liked Danualt, offered him 5 years so im trying to think of some comparable players that can possible be available ??

If he wasnt on the Hurricanes, id be all over Trocheck. UFA after the season and i expect the Rangers to be in on him next summer. Old Gallant favorite from Florida too.

 

[McRanger92]

Chytl has basically been a non existent entity in the first 4 games. Nothing really bad and nothing really good. One thing we have seen is that he does not belong on a line with Panarin. When he played with Zibs last night Panarin showed a hell of a lot more. Chytl yes he is only 22 but needs to start showing more in his 5th year. I think he is better than what we have seen but I don't think he will ever be the stud number 2 center some on this Board proclaimed him to be. I just don't see the instincts it takes to be a 2 type center.

Ive been pretty vocal about this being a "put up or shut up" year for Chytil, and while he hasnt put up any points, i think hes done a real good job defensively and playing the "right way". Chytil/Kakko/Laf's collective problem offensively continues to be a lack of finish on their chances and they hold the puck too long.