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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVI

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Edge said:
To me, Hajek, Hunt and Tinordi did even less with more.
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None of them are his competition in the pursuit of his happiness in this org. Kakko, Panarin, Kreider, and LaFreniere are, and he's an easy 5th in that group.
 
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White Death 24 said:
If this kid is this mentaly fragile that to this point he has once, ran home and now wimps out again, why should anyone in a blue jersey trust him after a game 1 & game 2 loss in the playoffs and be mentally strong enough to give it his all in a do-or-die game 3?

Cut bait. All the skill in the world and no heart to match it.
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Is it mental fragility, or is he trying to call his shot?
 
effen said:
None of them are his competition in the pursuit of his happiness in this org. Kakko, Panarin, Kreider, and LaFreniere are, and he's an easy 5th in that group.
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I don't think it's a matter of happiness.

I'm looking at this strictly from an asset management perspective and whether you make this move as a hockey transaction or have it in response to what we saw.
 
What can we get for a Hajek, Georgiev, Kravtsov package? I’d take a first and a prospect. Ideally a center prospect, I guess.
 
NJRangers35 said:
The asset management of this rebuild has been a joke.

Lias Andersson was a waste and is no longer here. Kravstov is about to follow the same path. 2 top 10 picks completely wasted. Our most valuable asset in McDonagh was traded for Howden and Hajek. Two more missed assets. Really need to hope lindkvist becomes a top pairing defenseman. DeAngelo is gone from the Stepan trade. Buchnevich was traded fro nothing. We got nothing to show for Zuccarello trade.

The Brassard trade was obviously a home run as well as the Nash trade. The Fox trade was the best one yet. But we are getting to the point where they missed on more than they hit during this rebuild. I don’t even want to think about how bad it will be if Laf, Kakko, Miller, And Chytil don’t take a major step.
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This is some serious pessimism. Missed on more than they've hit during the rebuild? The rebuild has yielded a superstar in Panarin, only player to win a Norris in his second NHL season other than Bobby Orr in Fox, Zibanejad cementing himself as a legit star 1C, young difference makers like Kakko, Lafreniere, Chytil, Lindgren, Miller all ready to pop with a top 5 farm system still to go outside of those guys.

There have been some high profile misses but that's why the goal of the rebuild is to accumulate as many assets as possible, they're not all going to work out. Plus lucking into Kakko and Lafreniere makes other misses easier to swallow.
 
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Intrigued now that Barron is the first call up if someone gets hurt. Strome or Chytil can slot to RW? (hypothetical, if history repeats itself and Blais gets hurt )

Lafreneire Zibs Kakko
Panarin Chytil/Barron Strome
Kreider Barron/Chytil Goodrow


I'm with it
 
Edge said:
Personally, I kind of find this debatable.

Gauthier did what he's always done to this point. He showed a lot of warning track power without any actual results. Maybe that changes, but I feel like the string of scratches under Quinn almost masks the fact that the promise vs. delivery is so far very similar to what we saw last year.

I thought Kravtsov looked good in his limited audition. He netted a goal (something his competition did not), but he also missed a lot of time.

Considering the unknown nature of Kreider playing the right side (which changed a lot of pathways once we became committed to making that a thing), the unknown nature of Gauthier actually being able to finish, and Reaves missing time, I will say that this wasn't the path I would've chosen --- indepedent of VK's reaction or other factors.

To me, Hajek, Hunt and Tinordi did even less with more.

Gauthier I could probably argue both ways. He looked good consistently, but he also didn't produce anything either. I'm kind of over guys "looking good" but not getting results. At some point, it has to amount for something. Using blazing speed only to lose scoring chances doesn't inherently make me feel better than a guy who only looked "fine" but also managed to net one.
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I mean it's definitely debatable. I personally would've had Kravtsov on my opening night roster but I can definitely see the argument for sending him down if Gallant didn't think he did enough. I don't even think Kravtsov lost his spot to Gauthier or Hunt but he lost it to Blais. Blais had a great camp so he gets the spot we had Kravtsov in, Hunt gets Blais' 4th line spot as they're not going to use Kravtsov as a 4th liner and then Gauthier sticks as the 13F because they don't want Kravtsov riding the pine. So you send him to the AHL to get some ice time.

We see stuff like this happen all the time, the young kid being sent down for a month or so to get a lot of playing time and they go tear up the AHL and then get called up to the big club and never look back. This exact scenario played out with Kreider in the same timeline (his D+4 season) except back then Kreider had proven more at the NHL level than Kravtsov has at this point (fair to say his 2012 playoff cameo was more impressive than Kravtsov's short stint last season). Kreider went down and played well and then earned his way back up.
 
egelband said:
What can we get for a Hajek, Georgiev, Kravtsov package? I’d take a first and a prospect. Ideally a center prospect, I guess.
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Yes please. That's what we should look at, maybe a bit more. I feel the league could value Hajek a bit more than us around here. :laugh:

I need a 1st rd pick for Kravtsov.
 
NJRangers35 said:
The asset management of this rebuild has been a joke.

Lias Andersson was a waste and is no longer here. Kravstov is about to follow the same path. 2 top 10 picks completely wasted. Our most valuable asset in McDonagh was traded for Howden and Hajek. Two more missed assets. Really need to hope lindkvist becomes a top pairing defenseman. DeAngelo is gone from the Stepan trade. Buchnevich was traded fro nothing. We got nothing to show for Zuccarello trade.

The Brassard trade was obviously a home run as well as the Nash trade. The Fox trade was the best one yet. But we are getting to the point where they missed on more than they hit during this rebuild. I don’t even want to think about how bad it will be if Laf, Kakko, Miller, And Chytil don’t take a major step.
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In other words, some things worked out and others didn't.

Just like every other team.
 
egelband said:
What can we get for a Hajek, Georgiev, Kravtsov package? I’d take a first and a prospect. Ideally a center prospect, I guess.
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That package maybe gets you a first. Georgiev and Hajek combined have the value of like a 3rd or 4th rounder. Kravtsov's value is at his lowest right now. He clearly wants to be put in a top 6 immediately and there are only so many teams that have openings for him
 
duhmetreE said:
That's mostly Kakko skewing the numbers
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Live look at Kakko on gym day
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