Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVI

[Avery16]

Guys I solved everything, Kravtsov + Kreider for Brady Tkachuk, boom, done, cup = ours

Who is telling Kreider that he just waived his NMC for f***ing Calgary

 

[Avery16]

The asset management of this rebuild has been a joke.

Lias Andersson was a waste and is no longer here. Kravstov is about to follow the same path. 2 top 10 picks completely wasted. Our most valuable asset in McDonagh was traded for Howden and Hajek. Two more missed assets. Really need to hope lindkvist becomes a top pairing defenseman. DeAngelo is gone from the Stepan trade. Buchnevich was traded fro nothing. We got nothing to show for Zuccarello trade.

The Brassard trade was obviously a home run as well as the Nash trade. The Fox trade was the best one yet. But we are getting to the point where they missed on more than they hit during this rebuild. I don’t even want to think about how bad it will be if Laf, Kakko, Miller, And Chytil don’t take a major step.

How much credit should FO get for winning the draft lottery twice?

And where exactly would this rebuild be without those breaks?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Waiving Hajek doesn't change the scenario. Kravtsov would have demanded a trade after a few games of being scratched.

The counterpoint to this is it actually does change the scenario, and more specifically the timing of things.

Kravstov bolted previously because he was sent to Hartford, therefore Drury should know that “hey there’s previous behavior to go off here if we do it again”. I have no doubt that this situation with Kravstov does not blow up if he makes the team, even if he doesn’t play initially.

Now that’s not to say a month from now if he’s still not playing consistently he doesn’t request a trade, but that’s still a month to get things prepped if it comes to that.

The reality is the team knew there was an issue with Kravstov going into the season, and chose to use the 23rd roster spot on a guy in Hajek who will never play another game for this team.

People can call Kravstov a brat all they want (and he is), but the team isn’t blameless in this situation.

 

[TheBPA]

Who is telling Kreider that he just waived his NMC for f***ing Calgary

Well whoever does may get fired when it turns out Chris was supposed to head to Ottawa instead

 

[NJRangers35]

How much credit should FO get for winning the draft lottery twice?

And where exactly would this rebuild be without those breaks?

Or fox pretty much forcing his way here.

 

[nyrleetch]

Or fox pretty much forcing his way here.

Panarin too.

We've been pretty lucky in some aspects.

 

[duhmetreE]

The counterpoint to this is it actually does change the scenario, and more specifically the timing of things.

Kravstov bolted previously because he was sent to Hartford, therefore Drury should know that “hey there’s previous behavior to go off here if we do it again”. I have no doubt that this situation with Kravstov does not blow up if he makes the team, even if he doesn’t play initially.

Now that’s not to say a month from now if he’s still not playing consistently he doesn’t request a trade, but that’s still a month to get things prepped if it comes to that.

The reality is the team knew there was an issue with Kravstov going into the season, and chose to use the 23rd roster spot on a guy in Hajek who will never play another game for this team.

People can call Kravstov a brat all they want (and he is), but the team isn’t blameless in this situation.

I disagree. You can't be scared to make a move based on a tantrum of a young prospect. This isn't a bonafide stud. He's a great talent that has accomplished absolute nothing in North America... and his KHL results are mediocre at best ( he had one great playoff run) Even a player like Igor Shesterkin played in the AHL... a guy who flat out DOMINATED his league.

It is what it is at this point. It's unfortunate but it will work out for the best.

 

[egelband]

The Rangers have 8 D right now. If they were doing paper transactions they would sent down Lundkvist, who also isn't playing wednesday.

That’s a good point. Also seems confirmed now considering how things have played out with VK. What a bummer.

 

[Thirty One]

I disagree. You can't be scared to make a move based on a tantrum of a young prospect. This isn't a bonafide stud. He's a great talent that has accomplished absolute nothing in North America... and his KHL results are mediocre at best ( he had one great playoff run) Even a okayer Igor Shesterkin played in the AHL... a guy who flat out DOMINATED his league.

It is what it is at this point. It's unfortunate but it will work out for the best.

And if you're trying to change the culture, be more of a team than a club, I can't think of many better ways to undermine that than keeping a pouting extra forward around.

 

[duhmetreE]

Kravtsov for Gourde @50%

who says no?

 

[Avery16]

Panarin too.

We've been pretty lucky in some aspects.

Most, it seems

 

[Thirty One]

Kravtsov for Gourde @50%

who says no?

The entire population of Seattle.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I disagree. You can't be scared to make a move based on a tantrum of a young prospect. This isn't a bonafide stud. He's a great talent that has accomplished absolute nothing in North America... and his KHL results are mediocre at best ( he had one great playoff run) Even a player like Igor Shesterkin played in the AHL... a guy who flat out DOMINATED his league.

It is what it is at this point. It's unfortunate but it will work out for the best.

The bolded is flatly wrong, he was among a pretty distinguished group to have success and play well in the KHL at his age

but we’ll agree to disagree on the rest.

 

[TominNC]

Does management get credit for good draft selections in rounds 2-6? Some nice prospects in the pipeline from those rounds. Or was that all luck too? How about managing pick and player assets to get extra first rounders or allowing them to move up to select NHL quality? All just luck?

Teams fail, teams succeed. It's not guaranteed. Lots of top 10 "failures" around

 

[duhmetreE]

The bolded is flatly wrong, he was among a pretty distinguished group to have success and play well in the KHL at his age

but we’ll agree to disagree on the rest.

It was meant to point out he's not some bonafide stud. Like a Kaprizov where his resume carries weight.

He has had average seasons. He hasn't blown anyone away.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Still think Kreider should’ve been on the third line with VK in the top 6, but oh well.

On paper going into the season, sure.

In reality though, for this to happen, Kravtsov needed to have a stellar camp. He needed to force their hand and bully his way into a bigger role.

Instead he was just 'fine'. The injury didn't help but even aside from that he wasn't particularly impressive. He wasn't bad but he certainly didn't do nearly enough to displace any of the wingers ahead of him in the pecking order and IMO was outplayed by Blais and at the very least neck and neck with Gauthier.

That 3RW spot was his to lose and he lost it based on his play, full stop.

Then it comes out his exit interview was very poor last season with the main crux being the Rangers having issues with his offseason training, so who knows what the deal is off the ice with him.

 

[haohmaru]

Who is telling Kreider that he just waived his NMC for f***ing Calgary

Who is Kreider telling he's waiving his NMC to go to Calgary?

A: Nobody

 

[gravey9]

On paper going into the season, sure.

In reality though, for this to happen, Kravtsov needed to have a stellar camp. He needed to force their hand and bully his way into a bigger role.

Instead he was just 'fine'. The injury didn't help but even aside from that he wasn't particularly impressive. He wasn't bad but he certainly didn't do nearly enough to displace any of the wingers ahead of him in the pecking order and IMO was outplayed by Blais and at the very least neck and neck with Gauthier.

That 3RW spot was his to lose and he lost it based on his play, full stop.

Then it comes out his exit interview was very poor last season with the main crux being the Rangers having issues with his offseason training, so who knows what the deal is off the ice with him.

Agreed, furthermore if he was showing a poor attitude there's no way in hell you give him a top 6 spot unless he's such a huge difference maker that you can't justify scratching him. If he had a great attitude and was bubble top 9, with his skillset he likely makes it. But you have 22 other guys in the room that are going to be effected too. It's not great for team chemistry if he's forcing his way into a top spot by pouting and then not busting his ass to establish himself there. I think you have to protect team chemistry.

 

[Kocur Dill]

If this kid is this mentaly fragile that to this point he has once, ran home and now wimps out again, why should anyone in a blue jersey trust him after a game 1 & game 2 loss in the playoffs and be mentally strong enough to give it his all in a do-or-die game 3?

Cut bait. All the skill in the world and no heart to match it.

 

[NYR]

We're really giving the old FO credit for tanking it?
Drury did in one summer what JG has never been able to do in how many years?
He supplemented a solid core with solid support players.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Ryan Poehling looks like an odd man out in montreal, wonder could we take a gamble on him for Kravtsov

 

[Edge]

On paper going into the season, sure.

In reality though, for this to happen, Kravtsov needed to have a stellar camp. He needed to force their hand and bully his way into a bigger role.

Instead he was just 'fine'. The injury didn't help but even aside from that he wasn't particularly impressive. He wasn't bad but he certainly didn't do nearly enough to displace any of the wingers ahead of him in the pecking order and IMO was outplayed by Blais and at the very least neck and neck with Gauthier.

That 3RW spot was his to lose and he lost it based on his play, full stop.

Then it comes out his exit interview was very poor last season with the main crux being the Rangers having issues with his offseason training, so who knows what the deal is off the ice with him.

Personally, I kind of find this debatable.

Gauthier did what he's always done to this point. He showed a lot of warning track power without any actual results. Maybe that changes, but I feel like the string of scratches under Quinn almost masks the fact that the promise vs. delivery is so far very similar to what we saw last year.

I thought Kravtsov looked good in his limited audition. He netted a goal (something his competition did not), but he also missed a lot of time.

Considering the unknown nature of Kreider playing the right side (which changed a lot of pathways once we became committed to making that a thing), the unknown nature of Gauthier actually being able to finish, and Reaves missing time, I will say that this wasn't the path I would've chosen --- indepedent of VK's reaction or other factors.

To me, Hajek, Hunt and Tinordi did even less with more.

Gauthier I could probably argue both ways. He looked good consistently, but he also didn't produce anything either. I'm kind of over guys "looking good" but not getting results. At some point, it has to amount for something. Using blazing speed only to lose scoring chances doesn't inherently make me feel better than a guy who only looked "fine" but also managed to net one.

 

[NYR94]

Personally, I kind of find this debatable.

Gauthier did what he's always done to this point. He showed a lot of warning track power without any actual results. Maybe that changes, but I feel like the string of scratches under Quinn almost masks the fact that the promise vs. delivery is so far very similar to what we saw last year.

I thought Kravtsov looked good in his limited audition. He netted a goal (something his competition did not), but he also missed a lot of time.

Considering the unknown nature of Kreider playing the right side (which changed a lot of pathways once we became committed to making that a thing), the unknown nature of Gauthier actually being able to finish, and Reaves missing time, I will say that this wasn't the path I would've chosen --- indepedent of VK's reaction or other factors.

To me, Hajek, Hunt and Tinordi did even less with more.

Gauthier I could probably argue both ways. He looked good consistently, but he also didn't produce anything either. I'm kind of over guys "looking good" but not getting results. At some point, it has to amount for something. Using blazing speed only to lose scoring chances doesn't inherently make me feel better than a guy who only looked "fine" but also managed to net one.

This times 1000. Two goals in 42 games as a Ranger.

 

[Fitzy]

The entire population of Seattle.

Well unless they yell it all at the same time I can't see any way the Kangaroo hears them

 

[effen]

Still think Kreider should’ve been on the third line with VK in the top 6, but oh well.

We're all into VK's feels here to get him on board and just assuming Kreider doesn't take this as a huge slap to the face after a decade of work put into the org. This works both ways.

Krav wasn't gonna be happy w/o top 6 minutes which he wasn't gonna get. Even giving him the 3rd line was gonna be a temporary reprieve considering he ~never sees PP time on the team.