Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVI

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Any talk of Eichel in this thread is an instant lifetime ban for @Tob from here on out.

Dont say I didnt warn you.

Mods, please pin this.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

And I was laughed at for saying he wouldn't get over $8.5MM.

Only way to add Eichel would be if Buffalo retained 40-50% which is doubtful, unless they wanted to help ensure they got to the cap floor. Or pay the Yotes as a 3rd party. Would increase the required assets by a good amount though.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

 

[jay from jersey]

Any talk about Eichel needs to stop now. And I'm not just talking about the Zib contract.

We are oozing skill in our lineup. And we have more than enough guys right now that thrive with the puck on their stick and having possession -- Kakko, Zib, Panarin, Laf, Krav, Fox.

What we likely will need is consistent cap room to ensure strong bottom six forwards who can play throughout lineup when nec but also play really well away from the puck.

Eventually, a true bottom six center who can shut down opponents and win big faceoffs may need to be acquired. Maybe Barron becomes that? I don't know. I think Chytil's game is closer to a top 6 C than a shut down guy.

If we had a dominant bottom 6 center like that and continue to find solid complimentary players the sky is the limit.

But -- I am starting to believe the key to the season is going to be our D zone play. If our D corp comes together and can play solid late in games we can make a run. But I'm skeptical. We'll see.

Barron can absolutely be that guy. He’s big, strong, smart, and talented.
He’s going to be an excellent 3C, and a 3rd line that has Barron in the middle with Goodrow on his wing is a match up nightmare. Gonna be awesome to see.

the teams really only ? In the top 9 for the next 3-4-5 years is the 2C at this point. Can it be chytil, or are they going to have to go look outside to find it.
If chytil pays like he did yesterday, we should be in good shape
Laf-Zibby-Kakko/Kravtsov/Blais/Kreider
Panarin-?/chytil-kakko/Kravtsov/Blais/Kreider
Goodrow-Barron-Kakko/Kravtsov/Blais/Kreider
4th line -Hunt/Rooney/Reaves/internal kids

that’s a really really solid fwd corps for the next4-5 years to really make some noise. Plenty of cheap youth that can come up and help as well. Don’t get me started on the D either lol.
We also have plenty of ammo trade wise if Chytil isn’t good enough, or if they feel the need to upgrade.

 

[TheDirtyH]

19m next summer to lock in Fox, Kakko, and Kravtsov. Strome has to be a goner at this point, right?

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

His parents after hearing the news:

 

[Taluss]

19m next summer to lock in Fox, Kakko, and Kravtsov. Strome has to be a goner at this point, right?

I suppose we can hope that he sees a great opportunity to stay with a potentially very strong team in the near future and take a good discount.

But yeah, im not expecting that. Gone by the tdl imo

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

What will be more heartbreaking: Panarin when he lost Buchnevich or Zibanejad when he will lose Kreider?

 

[mas0764]

I wouldn’t be opposed to still trying to find a way to get Eichel too; but more realistically and probably a better management of team/assets I’d really, REALLY like to find a way to get Lundell.

Florida locked up Barkov, come on, excess D for Lundell, let’s do it.

 

[jay from jersey]

19m next summer to lock in Fox, Kakko, and Kravtsov. Strome has to be a goner at this point, right?

Yea. Don’t see how or why drury would spend close to 7 mill per on him.
Not on a multi-year deal anyway, there are better options at that price and cheaper too. Hopefully chytil can be it

 

[jay from jersey]

I wouldn’t be opposed to still trying to find a way to get Eichel too; but more realistically and probably a better management of team/assets I’d really, REALLY like to find a way to get Lundell.

Florida locked up Barkov, come on, excess D for Lundell, let’s do it.

It could still be possible. Though a lot harder now.
Eichel would almost be too excess at this point. Both him and Zibby would be fighting for 1 PP time etc.
I think for 2C, they want a more complete 2way player. Zibby/Eichel/Strome are all primarily offensive guys
I would have really liked us to Trade strome before the season, but I understand why we didn’t. Still think we would have been better served with
Zibby-Dvorak/Chytil-Dvorak/Chytil
As our 1-2-3 centers this year. If chytil takes next step, great, he’s our 2 for the future, if not, DVo woulda been a very good 2C here. If chytil passed him, he’d be an excellent 3C on almost any team.

with Zibby not having an extension in place early, keeping strome was the safety net. We also have Barron, who is ready or close to taking a full time 3C role imo.
Right now, it’s all eyes on Chytil. If he’s going to become the 2-way 2C for us long term, or are we going to make a trade. Huge huge year for him

 

[Edge]

I wouldn’t be opposed to still trying to find a way to get Eichel too; but more realistically and probably a better management of team/assets I’d really, REALLY like to find a way to get Lundell.

Florida locked up Barkov, come on, excess D for Lundell, let’s do it.

While Eichel is highly unlikely at this point, I will say that he also cannot be completely ruled out. I think there is a decent likelihood the Rangers keep lurking and see how the market goes (which is smart and what they should be doing).

If, and once again this is highly unlikely, the Sabres don’t love what’s out there and like the Rangers system they could come back and offer to retain salary to get a deal done. I don’t see that happening, but it’s not completely out of the realm of possibility either.

 

[RGY]

While Eichel is highly unlikely at this point, I will say that he also cannot be completely ruled out. I think there is a decent likelihood the Rangers keep lurking and see how the market goes (which is smart and what they should be doing).

If, and once again this is highly unlikely, the Sabres don’t love what’s out there and like the Rangers system they could come back and offer to retain salary to get a deal done. I don’t see that happening, but it’s not completely out of the realm of possibility either.

I dont think its completely dead as an option for the Rangers.

But I would prefer Larkin. Or a 2C that plays a more even all around game. Larkin is just a perfect fit imo. And I think you can extend him at around $6-$7 range for the next 6-7 years which would be affordable for the team moving forward.

 

[Edge]

Yea. Don’t see how or why drury would spend close to 7 mill per on him.
Not on a multi-year deal anyway, there are better options at that price and cheaper too. Hopefully chytil can be it

I believe the Rangers are keenly focused on a path forward that sees Chytil take the second line spot, Barron the third line spot and potentially someone like Richards the fourth line spot.

If Barron starts in the AHL it is only because they want to give him a ton of time (see Jones).

What’s particularly exciting about the Rangers is that they haven’t sacrificed depth yet and have a multitude of options for the future.

You have Kreider on the first line, but who could eventually find himself on the third and potentially moved with someone else sliding in a bit further down the line. You’ve got guys who could slide up and down the lineup, and you have a ton of potential support options at various levels in the system right now.

Some are more transition pieces types in the AHL, but then there’s this plethora of support talent ranging from Berard, Vierling and Tarnstrom, to Othmann, Korczak, Grubbe, etc.

On defense you have Jones, Schneider and Robertson set to get a lot of ice time in Hartford. You even have someone like Reunanen, who at least has a shot to be a transitional/depth guy in the NHL, potentially playing on the third pair.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Came in right where I thought he would. Good on Drury for getting this done before the season starts so its not hanging over the team's head. Now let's get to work.

 

[duhmetreE]

19m next summer to lock in Fox, Kakko, and Kravtsov. Strome has to be a goner at this point, right?

I still think Fox takes a discount. around 8x8

I don't know if Kakko would take a long term contract but it'd be nice to get him to a 5-6 year deal.

I fully expect Kravtsov to get a 2 year deal similar to Chytils.

I initially thought Strome was all but gone.... but I love the person and he's been a solid player for us. If he takes a massive discount.... maybe. Some team will give him big $$$ as a UFA.

 

[jay from jersey]

I believe the Rangers are keenly focused on a path forward that sees Chytil take the second line spot, Barron the third line spot and potentially someone like Richards the fourth line spot.

If Barron starts in the AHL it is only because they want to give him a ton of time (see Jones).

What’s particularly exciting about the Rangers is that they haven’t sacrificed depth yet and have a multitude of options for the future.

You have Kreider on the first line, but who could eventually find himself on the third and potentially moved with someone else sliding in a bit further down the line. You’ve got guys who could slide up and down the lineup, and you have a ton of potential support options at various levels in the system right now.

Some are more transition pieces types in the AHL, but then there’s this plethora of support talent ranging from Berard, Vierling and Tarnstrom, to Othmann, Korczak, Grubbe, etc.

On defense you have Jones, Schneider and Robertson set to get a lot of ice time in Hartford. You even have someone like Reunanen, who at least has a shot to be a transitional/depth guy in the NHL, potentially playing on the third pair.

100% right edge. If chytil can’t cut the mustard, they are going to look outside for a trade upgrade. The timeline is set. We’re going for it for the panarin/Zibby 1st 5 years, so I don’t think they are going to wait for more then 1 season for chytil to develop. Barron is ready/close to full time duty, and as you said 4th line can be Richards or a cheap vet 4th C add.
Pretty much all depends on Chytil and how well he performs this season.
We have lots of cheap young kids that can come up and help on ELC contracts. If 30-50% of that Cuylle/Berard/Korczak/Othmann/ Vierling/ etc etc crowd become nhl players we’ve got it made in the shade
Same can be said on the blue line. I’m sure we’ll draft D men in the first 2rds of the next draft as well to add to the great stable down there.
Adding Wallstedt would have made me sleep better at night though.........
If shesty goes down, we don’t really have a replacement. At least we have enough ammo for a trade though.
I think me and you are pretty much seeing eye to eye how drury and the brass view the teams top 9-12 fwd make up and top 6 D

 

[Edge]

I still think Fox takes a discount. around 8x8

I don't know if Kakko would take a long term contract but it'd be nice to get him to a 5-6 year deal.

I fully expect Kravtsov to get a 2 year deal similar to Chytils.

I initially thought Strome was all but gone.... but I love the person and he's been a solid player for us. If he takes a massive discount.... maybe. Some team will give him big $$$ as a UFA.

Strome remains a possibility to be a self-rental. I know that’s not the answer most fans want to here.

However, my personal dream scenario is that Chytil and Barron force the issue so much that they just grab the second and third line spots and the Rangers move Strome for a first a B prospect.

I want our present young talent to make it impossible to keep them in lesser roles and allow the Rangers to continue to stockpile assets that they can use down the line to address any need.

We have crazy depth as it is. But if our young talent forces the issue, I have no qualms about having two firsts and two second in the 2022 draft.

More talent, more guys to cycle in down the line if others bust or get too expensive. Mix it up with high ceilings and high floors. Take chances on guys who might not be ready for 4 years. Make it so that future moves can quickly be masked by insane depth. Just keep going forward.

If Edge could write the script, that would be a key scene.

 

[duhmetreE]

Strome remains a possibility to be a self-rental. I know that’s not the answer most fans want to here.

However, my personal dream scenario is that Chytil and Barron force the issue so much that they just grab the second and third line spots and the Rangers move Strome for a first a B prospect.

I want our present young talent to make it impossible to keep them in lesser roles and allow the Rangers to continue to stockpile assets that they can use down the line to address any need.

We have crazy depth as it is. But if our young talent forces the issue, I have no qualms about having two firsts and two second in the 2022 draft.

More talent, more guys to cycle in down the line if others bust or get too expensive. Mix it up with high ceilings and high floors. Take chances on guys who might not be ready for 4 years. Make it so that future moves can quickly be masked by insane depth. Just keep going forward.

If Edge could right the script, that would be a key scene.

We have a borderline 'complete' team. Barring injury, there shouldn't be any need to giving up futures for 'missing pieces' at the TDL. Keeping our futures is crucial in having a healthy cycle of talent when cap crunches occur.

Buch -> Kravtsov
Strome -> Chytil or Barron
Trouba -> Schneider
Kreider -> Cuylle or Othmann
etc..

we have replacements ready to go because we aren't mortgaging our future. Keep accumulating picks/futures for those 'veteran talents' as well. We're really in a phenomenal spot.

 

[Edge]

We have a borderline 'complete' team. Barring injury, there shouldn't be any need to giving up futures for 'missing pieces' at the TDL. Keeping our futures is crucial in having a healthy cycle of talent when cap crunches occur.

Buch -> Kravtsov
Strome -> Chytil or Barron
Trouba -> Schneider
Kreider -> Cuylle or Othmann
etc..

we have replacements ready to go because we aren't mortgaging our future. Keep accumulating picks/futures for those 'veteran talents' as well. We're really in a phenomenal spot.

It’s really interesting to see how this team could potentially cycle the roster down the line as some guys under-perform, others achieve and prove themselves out of town, and as we deal with injuries and the unexpected, or as we need to change things or adjust for balance.

This year should be one of discovery where we evaluate what we have (or don’t), adjust timelines and expectations, and sort things out a bit more.

 

[BroadwayHustle]

Strome remains a possibility to be a self-rental. I know that’s not the answer most fans want to here.

However, my personal dream scenario is that Chytil and Barron force the issue so much that they just grab the second and third line spots and the Rangers move Strome for a first a B prospect.

I want our present young talent to make it impossible to keep them in lesser roles and allow the Rangers to continue to stockpile assets that they can use down the line to address any need.

We have crazy depth as it is. But if our young talent forces the issue, I have no qualms about having two firsts and two second in the 2022 draft.

More talent, more guys to cycle in down the line if others bust or get too expensive. Mix it up with high ceilings and high floors. Take chances on guys who might not be ready for 4 years. Make it so that future moves can quickly be masked by insane depth. Just keep going forward.

If Edge could right the script, that would be a key scene.

This is what I want to see happen, I think it gives lines all a clear identity.

You could even move Kreider down with people that are already on the team OR some of these prospects that look like they can play. It really is quite amazing at how fast this team has turned from finesse to a mix of big skilled guys and some of that was bound to happen (see Kakko literally winning board battles 1v2, carrying the puck up the ice and outskating Barzal making plays and scoring).

 

[BroadwayHustle]

We have a borderline 'complete' team. Barring injury, there shouldn't be any need to giving up futures for 'missing pieces' at the TDL. Keeping our futures is crucial in having a healthy cycle of talent when cap crunches occur.

Buch -> Kravtsov
Strome -> Chytil or Barron
Trouba -> Schneider
Kreider -> Cuylle or Othmann
etc..

we have replacements ready to go because we aren't mortgaging our future. Keep accumulating picks/futures for those 'veteran talents' as well. We're really in a phenomenal spot.

I know some people are sipping the Blais kool-aid a little too much, but I liked what I saw from him when he was on the blues. I definitely think he is more skilled and could fill that Kreider mold right now.

Gauthier may never get a real spot here, but the way he has been pushing the puck and pressuring the Dman is what we want from Kreider. Thats what Cuylle and Othmann can bring...if this team had a Young Cally they are probably cup favorites.

 

[Fitzy]

Zero issue with self renting Strome this season if the goal is to move towards competition.

 

[rangers1314]

In other massive news, Vesey gets 1/800k in NJ

 

[TheDirtyH]

Mika's gotta be captain now right?