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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVI

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duhmetreE said:
Zibs and Eichel are a wash with risk. If anything Zibs is less risky. One costs a lot more.

I don't buy into 30 year old cliff mantra. 34 years old is typically where the descent starts for top players imo. Any player if severely injured will have issues. I'm comfortable with Zibs to 33-34 years old
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i agree on the risk part. Many won’t want to admit it,. But the chance of Eichel re-injuring after his neck from being fully healed from surgery at age 25-30 and the chance of Zibby getting a major injury from 30-35 ( concussion or something else) are about 50-50 odds.

most high end players see a dip in play around 33-34. Some a bit earlier, and some keep going strong til 35 maybe more.

I just don’t like when people bring up Eichel’s personality traits without fully knowing. We’re not in the room. We can’t be sure.
It wasn’t too long ago that their were reports that Djing was more important to Zibby then playing/training in the NHL.
Both guys are high level players. Edge to Jack imo.
I wouldn’t want either player wearing the C on my team if I was the coach though. They don’t need the added pressure and there are better options.
Trading for Eichel is not the “ same old Rangers” type of move. He isn’t really comparable to any guy we’ve traded for Age/talent wise.
If the gamble pays off, your looking at adding a 1C with Panarin like game breaking ability in the prime of his career
 
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RangerBoy said:
TB gave up two first round picks for Coleman and Goodrow. Those players changed their team. Their line with Gourde was Tampa's best line. This is not Draft Kings. Team jam them all in doesn't work.
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Yeah they are important. Rangers have drafted a number of these types of players recently. Barron, Cullye, Berard. They’ve found undervalued guys like Rooney and Blackwell. Possibly Blais. Every team that wins is in cap hell. There’s no way around that.

I also don’t see any similarities between the Rangers and the Leafs in terms of build.
 
bobbop said:
The Rangers have a boatload of bottom six forward types coming on ELCs. Othmann, Cooley, Richards, Berard can all fill out a very competent bottom six in future years. It would not be easy to keep Mika and acquire Eichel but it could be doable. The biggest problem I see is that you will have next to no flexibility for a couple of years and the same 7-8 top end players locked in on long term contracts.

If they choose to go that way, it better work. That's where the Leaf comparison comes in.
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The leafs comparison would make more sense if they had any decent D prospects, or a D as good as Fox. But they don’t and defense and goaltending in addition to depth is a gigantic problem for that Leafs team. Jack Campbell ain’t winning them a playoff round anytime soon.
 
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RangerBoy said:
I know you are a big Eichel guy but there is too much risk with that player. Some people say Eichel isn't a very good guy. There are character issues with him. Those issues have followed since Boston University. He has a major neck injury which requires a complicated neck surgery which has never been done a professional athlete in North America. The recovery period time fluctuates. First it was 6 weeks. Then it was a couple of months. Now it's four months. A doctor in Toronto who is involved with the rehabilitation process for neck surgeries says six months or more. I was listening to Frank Seravalli's podcast yesterday. He wondered if teams want Eichel to have the surgery as a member of the Sabres and they will circle back to them when Eichel is healthy. Has he heard that from other teams or something he came up with? Maybe a combination. The Sabres don't want that but he got hurt playing for Buffalo. They want the acquiring team to assume all of the risk. No deal. Timing is a big issue.

Even if Eichel was healthy, I am not crazy about having both of them on the team. They are both offensive players. Finesse and skill guys. Both of them are right-handed. Mika has his concussion history and Eichel is one hit away from never playing again. No thank you. The Rangers need more of a 2 way player at center behind Mika. Larkin would fit. Pierre-Luc Dubois would fit. PLD is a free agent again this summer. If Winnipeg wanted to move him later this year at the deadline or next summer, the Rangers should be first in line. They have all of young players available. They can't keep them all. I heard him on the 31 Thoughts podcast with Jeff Marek and Elliotte Friedman last month. PLD is a very good guy. It was a really good interview. He won't cost $10M per year. PLD will be two years away from group III at the expiration of this contract.

The Leafs have so money committed to a handful of players. The Leafs don't have to worry about players coming off entry level contracts because they have no worthwhile players worth paying.

The Rangers already have big money committed to Panarin and Trouba. The Rangers pay Zibanejad and Fox. That gives them four big tickets. Can they really afford another $10M player? Kakko will be a group II next summer. It looks like he will have a breakout year. A 2 or 3 year bridge contract for him won't be cheap. His body of work in his first two seasons wasn't great. Kakko has a breakout year and will get a really good bridge deal. 2 or 3 years worth $5M-$7M. Barzal and Tkachuk got the 3 years/$21M bridge deal. Those players were better in their first two seasons but if Kakko has a big 21-22, his agent will push for a big deal. The Rangers can't afford a contract holdout or the threat of an offer sheet. The Rangers don't have any room for anything longer.
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PLD is an RFA next year. Why is Winnipeg trading him?
 
jay from jersey said:
I don’t see how losing 1 of Jones/Lundkvist
1 of Kravtsov/chytil and a conditional 1st really hurts the farm.
If it pays off, drury looks like a genius. If Eichel gets hurt you LTIR his cap hit.
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So lets imagine the trade goes through and Strome is included for cap purposes.
Look at our center depth next season if Eichel is LTIR and Zibs/Strome aren't with the team

Goodrow
Chytil/???? If hes traded
Barron
??

Awful.
That means we're forced to sign or trade for another 1st/2nd line Center. What is that going to cost us? Sure, we have the cap room for it. But now we dont have the prospects to trade for the player. We also dont have the prospects needed to somehow unload Kreider/Trouba because we wasted them on Eichel. Unless you'd also like to get rid of Schneider/Kravstov/Lundqist as well? I understand the same risks can be applied with Zib and his concussions, but Eichel is a much bigger risk. I'm not even sure the payoff is genius levels.
 
I personally see risk in both players Eichel and Zib. Love Mika but he is another concussion away from being a problem imo. Id like nothing better than to win with him in the lineup but I'll take the younger player at similar money on a shorter deal, depending on cost ofcourse.
 
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I mean it's still kind of odd if they did recall McKegg. They have 16 forwards still in camp counting Reaves. If he's out a week or 2 there are still 15 healthy forwards not counting McKegg.

They also have 8 D still in camp.

Barron likely gets sent down tomorrow. Still 15 forwards with McKegg.
 
NHL Rumor Mill – October 9, 2021 | Spectors Hockey
THE ATHLETIC: Scott Powers expects the Chicago Blackhawks will place forward Alex Nylander on waivers. He cites a league source saying he’s heard the Arizona Coyotes might put in a claim if Nylander hits the waiver wire.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Powers pointed out the Blackhawks’ lack of waiver-exempt players limits how they can get cap compliant to start the season. He suggested they could put sidelined Wyatt Kalynuk and Caleb Jones on offseason long-term injury reserve and then put Andrew Shaw on LTIR to tap into his cap space. Regardless of how they do it, Powers said he still believes Nylander will go on waivers.
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Despite the fact he's a winger, I think I put in a claim if this happens.
 
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Atax said:
So lets imagine the trade goes through and Strome is included for cap purposes.
Look at our center depth next season if Eichel is LTIR and Zibs/Strome aren't with the team

Goodrow
Chytil/???? If hes traded
Barron
??

Awful.
That means we're forced to sign or trade for another 1st/2nd line Center. What is that going to cost us? Sure, we have the cap room for it. But now we dont have the prospects to trade for the player. We also dont have the prospects needed to somehow unload Kreider/Trouba because we wasted them on Eichel. Unless you'd also like to get rid of Schneider/Kravstov/Lundqist as well? I understand the same risks can be applied with Zib and his concussions, but Eichel is a much bigger risk. I'm not even sure the payoff is genius levels.
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well, if it shakes out that way ( obvious worst case your implying)
NYR would have all of this season seeing what chytil can do in a bigger role with more minutes, moved up in Stromes Spot while Eichel is healing.
At that point, you’d most likely be sure is chytil is a def keeper, or you’d be looking to upgrade him regardless.
But strome is gone anyway at the end of the year.
If Zibby gets another concussion or tears an ACL, the rangers are in the same circumstance.
Strome pricing himself out of here is very likely at the end of the year. Odds our if strome is our 1C, we are also not going anywhere playoffs or otherwise.
It’s looking like to start next year our 4 centers are Zibby/Eichel-Chytil-Barron-Rooney/Richards/UFA
If Eichel or Zibby whoever is our 1C gets injured. Say years ACL, Concussion, or Eichel Re-injuries his neck like in your scenario, the rangers would still be looking for a Dvorak type acquisition.
At least making the trade for Eichel, you would get a better what Chytil can do and if he’s in the long range plans.
- I don’t see what Strome being included has anything to do with it, unless your resigning him to 6.5-7 mill per on a multi-year deal, which is not a good idea.
 
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