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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVI

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rangers1314 said:
I think any JE trade is going to have conditions up the ying yang.

Strome + VK OR Jones + 2022 1st + a variable pick which CAN be a the 2023 1st if certain milestones are hit.
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Maybe. But it’s usually either conditional OR discount. Of course there’s a middle ground. But if it’s full of conditions, I’d assume there’s also a bigger value piece going to Buffalo.
 
egelband said:
Maybe. But it’s usually either conditional OR discount. Of course there’s a middle ground. But if it’s full of conditions, I’d assume there’s also a bigger value piece going to Buffalo.
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Maybe. Maybe not.

It's been beaten to death. Buffalo overplayed their hand. They could have moved him last summer and chose not to. They held on to their disgruntled player and he went out and suffered a major injury and now they're in a cage match over how to address it. It's cratered his value. He's an unknown now.

They rolled the dice and they lost. The Jack Eichel of 2019 no longer exists. They aren't trading that player.
 
egelband said:
I suspect the holdup with finalizing a Zibanejad deal is on the Rangers end. They will potentially acquire Eichel and tell Mika, here’s what we have left. Otherwise the Eichel deal doesn’t happen and there’s a bit more for Mika. It’s also not out of the realm of possibility that the Rangers have been up front with Mika’s team on this. There’s really no reason to play games. They probably have parameters, if not agreed, at least hashed-out. They have all season to proceed.
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If we trade for Eichel, there won't be anything left to give Mika.
 
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GAGLine said:
If we trade for Eichel, there won't be anything left to give Mika.
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It’s possible depending on Zibbys contract and if drury can work some magic and move a kreider or a Trouba early.
For arguments sake, say Eichel + Zibby take up 19 mill in cap next season.
Zibby makes 5.5 so Drury would either need Buffalo to eat some cap on Eichel for a couple of years, or have to get really creative to make up that 13.5 mill until he can offload kreider and/or Trouba.
Strome-Gone 4.5 chytil -Gone2.3 -Georgiev gone 2.5. Thats 9.3 replaced with a cheap vet goalie, Barron for Chytil as 3C on a ELC, we also have some buyout money coming off the books. Not a ton, but it adds up.
It really might be doable for 2 -years til the cap goes up again as well.
Would it be hard, yes. Impossible? I’m not so sure. Drury would have to get creative.
They would have to juggle/Bridge some guys for sure. And a lot depends on what Kakko/LaF get on their next deals.
 
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GAGLine said:
If we trade for Eichel, there won't be anything left to give Mika.
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Depends. They might get a million or so retained from Buffalo. Maybe another million from a third team. It’s not impossible. Also if Strome goes back they can in theory kick the can down the road. You’re probably right but I’m not going to rule it out.
 
KreiderBomb said:
Im doubtful Strome is included in a trade to Buffalo, no way he resigns there and id doubt theyd be interested in that.
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I would hope you’re right but I don’t think we can do it any other way, no? Though, Eichel probably goes on LTIR at least for a few months the trade probably doesn’t affect us salary cap wise. Plenty of time to figure out something. Or do a Tampa Bay and get Eichel back for the playoffs. Interesting… would be a great team this year. Then Mika walks and/or Strome walks… is that the plan?
 
egelband said:
Depends. They might get a million or so retained from Buffalo. Maybe another million from a third team. It’s not impossible. Also if Strome goes back they can in theory kick the can down the road. You’re probably right but I’m not going to rule it out.
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If I’m Drury, I’d try to leverage the shit out of the Eichel Contract/trade when dealing with Zibby/agent.
I’d say you’re our first choice, we’re willing to offer you the same contract to stay, even though your 5 years older. We’ll bump your cap hit to 10 mill, but it’s only a 5 year deal, and try to play it that way.
Odds are slim he’d take it, but if Drury said 5 yrs 10 mill is the best on our current time line or we’re going to bring in Eichel and go from there, maybe Zibby takes the bribe.
It’s tough though. Even in that situation, he’d still be leaving a lot on the table from some other team
 
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jay from jersey said:
It’s possible depending on Zibbys contract and if drury can work some magic and move a kreider or a Trouba early.
For arguments sake, say Eichel + Zibby take up 19 mill in cap next season.
Zibby makes 5.5 so Drury would either need Buffalo to eat some cap on Eichel for a couple of years, or have to get really creative to make up that 13.5 mill until he can offload kreider and/or Trouba.
Strome-Gone 4.5 chytil -Gone2.3 -Georgiev gone 2.5. Thats 9.3 replaced with a cheap vet goalie, Barron for Chytil as 3C on a ELC, we also have some buyout money coming off the books. Not a ton, but it adds up.
It really might be doable for 2 -years til the cap goes up again as well.
Would it be hard, yes. Impossible? I’m not so sure. Drury would have to get creative.
They would have to juggle/Bridge some guys for sure. And a lot depends on what Kakko/LaF get on their next deals.
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Buffalo I believe cannot eat cap for just certain years. It’s a dollar amount spread evenly over the contract’s duration. Can anyone confirm?
 
KreiderBomb said:
Im doubtful Strome is included in a trade to Buffalo, no way he resigns there and id doubt theyd be interested in that.
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He’d be for salary and be their 1C who they could flip at the deadline

he’s literally the perfect piece for this type of deal lol
 
Replacing Mika with Eichel is crazy risky. You forfeit this year by ending it with no 1C. Then next year you absolutely need Eichel to come roaring back from major surgery and a year off because if he doesn’t you’re stuck paying him 10M with an NMC.
 
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Sabres need at least $7m to meet the cap floor if they trade Eichel. Rangers really can't get there even if Strome is the cap component. Maybe if the Sabres really want Georgiev or the Rangers view him as a throw-in after misplaying his value. Strome, Georgie, and Kravtsov would put them over that, I think.
 
Doing some quick math here

Salary cap for next season is $81,500,000

Our cap space next offseason will be $27,708,531

UFA’s and RFA’s will be

Zibanejad-U
Fox-R
Kakko-R
Kravtsov-R
Strome-U
Blais-R
Gauthier-R
Rooney-U
Hajek-R
Georgiev-R

If we add Eichel, we would have $17,708,531 in cap space for next offseason

Fox’s contract, at the very least will be $7 million.

Zibanejad’s contract, at the very least will be $7.5 million

That leaves us with $3,208,531 to re-sign Kakko, Kravtsov, Blais, Gauthier, Strome, Rooney, and Hajek. Of course not all will be re-signed. And of course my projections for Zibanejad and Fox are on the lighter side.

It’s not impossible. If we do end up getting Eichel, we could move Chytil, and start Barron at 3C, and let Rooney walk to start Richards at 4C, that frees up about $450,000. Now we have 3,658,531 in cap space. If Kravtsov were moved in the Eichel deal, we would only really have to worry about signing Kakko and Blais, the rest we could let walk and be fine (Rooney, Gauthier, Georgiev, Hajek) although we would need to set aside about $1,000,000 for a backup goalie. Someone like Charlie Lindgren would be perfect, would be cheaper than $1,000,000, and is Ryan’s brother. I’d figure we could get him for $900,000 or so, which leaves us with $2,758,531. We could also dump Nemeth and his $2.5 million dollar cap hit for a late pick, would only have 2 years remaining I’m sure some team will be interested. If not, attach him to Chytil. Now we have $5,258,531 in cap space available next offseason. Again these predictions are very conservative but not completely impossible, especially considering I went very light with the Fox and Zib contracts. If we could move either Kreider or Trouba, we’d be completely fine with adding Eichel and keeping Zibanejad. Otherwise, it’s a tough squeeze but very possible assuming Kravtsov is part of the Eichel deal, as well as moving Chytil along with Nemeth. With the remaining $5,000,000 or so, sign Blais to his QO, and spend the rest on bridging Kakko for 3 years which ends when Trouba’s NMC is up. The lineup for next season with all these moves would be

Panarin-Zibanejad-Kakko
Lafreniere-Eichel-Kreider
Goodrow-Barron-X/Gauthier?
Blais-Richards-Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Lundkvist

Shesterkin
Georgiev

Pray that some prospect steps up and takes the 3RW spot, or if we have enough $$ leftover after signing Kakko and Blais we keep Gauthier for that spot. Worry about how you’ll handle LaF’s payday later on. If we move one of Kreider or Trouba in the upcoming years, we’ll be relatively fine cap-wise.
 
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jay from jersey said:
Yea I don’t like it either. I hate the fact that Zibby has the rangers backed into a corner somewhat. He’s got the NMC, and he knows Drury isn’t going to let him walk with the rangers having no 1C replacement. If you let Zibby walk and don’t go for Eichel, your basically throwing your hands up and giving up going for it while Panarin is in his prime playing the best hockey of his life.
Drury isn’t going to let that happen. Not after all the moves he made this summer. I’m 100% confident in saying that well either have Eichel or Zibby as our 1C next season. I don’t see any path fwd where we don’t sign/trade for 1 or the other.
Right now, Eichel is the only contingency plan that’s available. Drury at least has that to bring to the table in the Zibby negotiations.
Barkov is for sure better then Zibby. Was just pointing out the deal he signed, if not for our crazy taxes is closer to 11.5 real work money per year then 10.
Like if you want to get technical, he’s making more then 2.25 mill from couturier, even though that’s what the cap hits say
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I mean listen, i know everyone says he wouldnt waive his NMC to be traded during the season but seriously if he has a chance to go to say the avs for a cup run, do people really think he isnt going to accept it? I agree he has us over the barrell a bit with our situation but like you said we have ALOT of high potential prospects that are wanted by teams. Along with our own picks this year and whatever we would get from the team acquiring zibs which is most likely a 1st, a high end prospect and like a 3rd. Those extra assets we can easily over pay a bit to get Lindholm or Larkin, or Eichel and so on.

I understand the situation on taxes but again if he wants to be a ranger he needs to agree on term or aav, which he wants more of. And with what you are saying then his deal should be 8.5m aav on a 7 year deal similiar to couterier. Sadly i know this is prob blasphemy to say but id rather have couterier than zibs. I think hes better. So to me its the Couterier deal or less term higher aav, or trade him at the deadline. I would not give zibs more than 9m per. Again if he wants to hold us over the barrel then he can go get his money like Dougie Hamilton and never sniff the playoffs.
 
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Fitzy said:
Only with some serious retention. I'm only trading for Eichel if it leaves us enough cap to have both him and Zibby.
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Then its on Zibs not to ask for 10m a year. If he wants to be a ranger then make it work for both sides
 
Id be surprised if Vegas wasnt in on Eichel and i can guarantee all things being equal that buffalo would rather send him there. So with that said, are we gonna be happy overpaying for eichel? I'm on the fence.
 
Lays said:
Doing some quick math here

Salary cap for next season is $81,500,000

Our cap space next offseason will be $27,708,531

UFA’s and RFA’s will be

Zibanejad-U
Fox-R
Kakko-R
Kravtsov-R
Strome-U
Blais-R
Gauthier-R
Rooney-U
Hajek-R
Georgiev-R

If we add Eichel, we would have $17,708,531 in cap space for next offseason

Fox’s contract, at the very least will be $7 million.

Zibanejad’s contract, at the very least will be $7.5 million

That leaves us with $3,208,531 to re-sign Kakko, Kravtsov, Blais, Gauthier, Strome, Rooney, and Hajek. Of course not all will be re-signed. And of course my projections for Zibanejad and Fox are on the lighter side.

It’s not impossible. If we do end up getting Eichel, we could move Chytil, and start Barron at 3C, and let Rooney walk to start Richards at 4C, that frees up about $450,000. Now we have 3,658,531 in cap space. If Kravtsov were moved in the Eichel deal, we would only really have to worry about signing Kakko and Blais, the rest we could let walk and be fine (Rooney, Gauthier, Georgiev, Hajek) although we would need to set aside about $1,000,000 for a backup goalie. Someone like Charlie Lindgren would be perfect, would be cheaper than $1,000,000, and is Ryan’s brother. I’d figure we could get him for $900,000 or so, which leaves us with $2,758,531. We could also dump Nemeth and his $2.5 million dollar cap hit for a late pick, would only have 2 years remaining I’m sure some team will be interested. If not, attach him to Chytil. Now we have $5,258,531 in cap space available next offseason. Again these predictions are very conservative but not completely impossible, especially considering I went very light with the Fox and Zib contracts. If we could move either Kreider or Trouba, we’d be completely fine with adding Eichel and keeping Zibanejad. Otherwise, it’s a tough squeeze but very possible assuming Kravtsov is part of the Eichel deal, as well as moving Chytil along with Nemeth. With the remaining $5,000,000 or so, sign Blais to his QO, and spend the rest on bridging Kakko for 3 years which ends when Trouba’s NMC is up. The lineup for next season with all these moves would be

Panarin-Zibanejad-Kakko
Lafreniere-Eichel-Kreider
Goodrow-Barron-X/Gauthier?
Blais-Richards-Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Lundkvist

Shesterkin
Georgiev

Pray that some prospect steps up and takes the 3RW spot, or if we have enough $$ leftover after signing Kakko and Blais we keep Gauthier for that spot. Worry about how you’ll handle LaF’s payday later on. If we move one of Kreider or Trouba in the upcoming years, we’ll be relatively fine cap-wise.
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Fox starts at 9 and its likely 10 if he repeats what he did last year. If we get eichel or sign Zib to a similar deal our bottom six will have to consist of mostly entry deals from here on in.
 
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