Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVI

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Barkov is better and younger. If anything him signing for 10m per season makes it clear that Mika should not be signing that high.

Between Barkov getting 8x10 and Couterier getting 8x7.75 I think Mika should probably slot in somewhere around 7x8.5 if he's signing for 7 years and 8x8 if he's signing for 8 years or something like that. I don't even think he should touch 9m a season considering his age and the comps.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Between Barkov and Couturier, Zibanejad shouldn’t even break $9M AAV unless it is on a 5 year deal.

 

[Lays]

Over $70 million in signing bonuses on that Barkov contract on top of a guaranteed $80 million. That seems like significantly more than usual?

If Florida could afford to do that, I wonder how much we could give up in signing bonuses on a Zibanejad contract to keep his contract down

Aside from signing bonuses though, my guess on a Zibanejad contract is 8.5 x 8

If we planned to trade him we should’ve done it already, get him signed so we don’t have to worry about it during the season

 

[nyr2k2]

Over $70 million in signing bonuses on that Barkov contract on top of a guaranteed $80 million. That seems like significantly more than usual?

If Florida could afford to do that, I wonder how much we could give up in signing bonuses on a Zibanejad contract to keep his contract down

Aside from signing bonuses though, my guess on a Zibanejad contract is 8.5 x 8

If we planned to trade him we should’ve done it already, get him signed so we don’t have to worry about it during the season

His contract is $72M on signing bonuses and just $8M in base salary. Unless something changed, the signing bonuses aren't figured into a buyout, which makes contracts with huge signing bonus amounts basically impossible to buy out. They're also paid in the summer and have to be paid regardless of a lockout, so that's another big plus.

 

[Daves a mess]

Had NHL Radio on before listening to "The Power Play" show . They had Dick Button on and the conversation went to Jack Eichel. He specifically used Zac Jones and Vitaly Kravstov as the only two actual players in a potential trade for Jack. With any team. Button then went on about there being a pathway now to make a trade. That there wasn't a path before because the ask was too high.
"A team" seems to be willing to take Jack because the price has come down AND the acquiring team is willing to accept the risk at a lower price. Again Button mentioned no other players other than Zac and Vitali from any team.

Take it for what it's worth.

 

[Alluckks]

Mika at 9 per year for 6 years would be my dream contract
Fox at 9 per year for 8 years announced right after

I have no problem self-renting Strome for the year to be honest

 

[jay from jersey]

Had NHL Radio on before listening to "The Power Play" show . They had Dick Button on and the conversation went to Jack Eichel. He specifically used Zac Jones and Vitaly Kravstov as the only two actual players in a potential trade for Jack. With any team. Button then went on about there being a pathway now to make a trade. That there wasn't a path before because the ask was too high.
"A team" seems to be willing to take Jack because the price has come down AND the acquiring team is willing to accept the risk at a lower price. Again Button mentioned no other players other than Zac and Vitali from any team.

Take it for what it's worth.

It’s very logical. Wouldn’t like to lose either, but to get Eichel with a better then average chance he returns to normal, that’s really not a crazy price. We’re likely to move at least 1 D by the latest end of the season.
If I’m the Sabres, I’d want chytil instead of Kravtsov, but that just me. He’ll get the ice time and opportunity there to hopefully develop into a 50-60 pt 2C that gets PP time

 

[cwede]

Mika at 9 per year for 6 years would be my dream contract
Fox at 9 per year for 8 years announced right after
I have no problem self-renting Strome for the year to be honest

yeah my plan, of Zib at 6 for $50M, Fox at 7 for $60M, rely on both accepting slightly under $9M ...

 

[Alluckks]

yeah my plan, of Zib at 6 for $50M, Fox at 7 for $60M, rely on both accepting slightly under $9M ...

The shorter the years, the higher the average. Under 9 for 6 years on Zib feels like a pipe dream. I'd be overjoyed.

 

[jay from jersey]

Sign me up for 8.5 yesterday.

Yea they ain’t going to happen. You also have to factor in the tax difference. That’s basically us paying Barkov 11.5 per.
And he took a bit of a discount. He could have gotten more for sure.

I’d wager Zibby and agent bro want 7-8 for 10.
But their real settle price will be 9-9.25 over 7-8 years. Doubts he’s going lower boys, which sucks

 

[jay from jersey]

I'll keep saying it, Larkin should be the target.

That ship has sailed IMO. According to Edge, Larkin would only be made available contingent on them getting Berniers ( top 2 pick).
He’s a hometown hero and a good center. He was also just named captain. Only way I see Larkin becoming available is if he asks out. Stevie Y likely gives him a nice new deal next season

 

[jay from jersey]

Barkov is better and younger. If anything him signing for 10m per season makes it clear that Mika should not be signing that high.

Between Barkov getting 8x10 and Couterier getting 8x7.75 I think Mika should probably slot in somewhere around 7x8.5 if he's signing for 7 years and 8x8 if he's signing for 8 years or something like that. I don't even think he should touch 9m a season considering his age and the comps.

No way in hell is he taking 3 mill less then panarin on his retirement deal.
Barkov and couturier are both 8 years as well, something we should try to avoid.
I’d bet the final number is 7yrs 9-9.25/ maybe even 9.5 for Zibby to stay

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Yea they ain’t going to happen. You also have to factor in the tax difference. That’s basically us paying Barkov 11.5 per.
And he took a bit of a discount. He could have gotten more for sure.

I’d wager Zibby and agent bro want 7-8 for 10.
But their real settle price will be 9-9.25 over 7-8 years. Doubts he’s going lower boys, which sucks

True but can we all be honest here. Zib is not an par with Barkov. Barkov is a superior player in every way. So i really only use the Barkov deal to show Zibs that he will be getting lower than Barkov even at his 8 or 7 year albotross contract demands. I know we agree on this but Zibs should be making what Couterier is making and if he wants 9m per year it can be on a 6 year deal then. Thats how he can get his AAV up. Otherwise on a 7-8 year deal which i truly will vomit at, he should be getting under 9. He is not elite on the defensive end, has problems winning faceoffs, and shies away from physicality.

If Zibs gets 10m that takes the rangers out of Eichel and hurts them alot on Kakko and Fox's next deals which would have to be bridge deals.

Id rather sign Fox and Kakko for long term deals, trade zibs to a contender for picks and prospects and go get a center or two with the ridiculous amount of high end picks and prospects we have.

Let zibs go rot in OTT if he wants the Barkov contract.

 

[jay from jersey]

True but can we all be honest here. Zib is not an par with Barkov. Barkov is a superior player in every way. So i really only use the Barkov deal to show Zibs that he will be getting lower than Barkov even at his 8 or 7 year albotross contract demands. I know we agree on this but Zibs should be making what Couterier is making and if he wants 9m per year it can be on a 6 year deal then. Thats how he can get his AAV up. Otherwise on a 7-8 year deal which i truly will vomit at, he should be getting under 9. He is not elite on the defensive end, has problems winning faceoffs, and shies away from physicality.

If Zibs gets 10m that takes the rangers out of Eichel and hurts them alot on Kakko and Fox's next deals which would have to be bridge deals.

Id rather sign Fox and Kakko for long term deals, trade zibs to a contender for picks and prospects and go get a center or two with the ridiculous amount of high end picks and prospects we have.

Let zibs go rot in OTT if he wants the Barkov contract.

Yea I don’t like it either. I hate the fact that Zibby has the rangers backed into a corner somewhat. He’s got the NMC, and he knows Drury isn’t going to let him walk with the rangers having no 1C replacement. If you let Zibby walk and don’t go for Eichel, your basically throwing your hands up and giving up going for it while Panarin is in his prime playing the best hockey of his life.
Drury isn’t going to let that happen. Not after all the moves he made this summer. I’m 100% confident in saying that well either have Eichel or Zibby as our 1C next season. I don’t see any path fwd where we don’t sign/trade for 1 or the other.
Right now, Eichel is the only contingency plan that’s available. Drury at least has that to bring to the table in the Zibby negotiations.
Barkov is for sure better then Zibby. Was just pointing out the deal he signed, if not for our crazy taxes is closer to 11.5 real work money per year then 10.
Like if you want to get technical, he’s making more then 2.25 mill from couturier, even though that’s what the cap hits say

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Yea they ain’t going to happen. You also have to factor in the tax difference. That’s basically us paying Barkov 11.5 per.
And he took a bit of a discount. He could have gotten more for sure.

I’d wager Zibby and agent bro want 7-8 for 10.
But their real settle price will be 9-9.25 over 7-8 years. Doubts he’s going lower boys, which sucks

Go get it elsewhere then. We’ll figure out the center position. This shouldn’t be a one way negotiation. How much is it worth to him to be a NYR? If money is more important to him trade him at the deadline and he can sign somewhere else.
If he wants Barkov to be a comparable, He should go win the Selke this year.

 

[Elliman]

If he wants 10 million then drop the years considerably. 5 years 50 million. NMC first 3 years.

If he wants anything over 8 million for 7-8 years… then i’d rather revisit the Eichel situation.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I am not as much concerned about the contract as i am about nmc or ntc. If he's movable after 2 or 3 years even if it costs us something it would be ideal.

 

[pld459666]

We can all complain about the state taxes, but let's not pretend that we have an advantage as well with New York being a lucrative destination. See Panarin, Fox. I think the salary cap could use some revamping, but the state taxes are literally one of the smallest issues it has. The bigger issue is the lack of advantage to sign you drafted players, or players who have been with the team for a long time. I think there should be a certain percentage that is removed from those contracts cap hits. It rewards drafting well, and it also rewards teams for signing long term deals. The biggest problem this league has is the fact that you really can't be super competitive forever. It's a damn shame what is happening with Tampa. They have drafted so well, gained good free agents and now they have to throw players over board every year to fit under the cap. It shouldn't have to be that way.

Whats happening in Tampa is exactly what the league wants.

Its by design.

 

[Graves94]

$10M for Barkov in no state tax Florida, equates to about $11.5M in NY money...

 

[Kravtsov420]

cc @EdJovanovski

I have just came

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Kravstov Jones Strome and a first for Eichel is a no brainer if that’s in the vein of what would be on the table

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Whats happening in Tampa is exactly what the league wants.

Its by design.

+1...this is what they want. Forced parity.

 

[Fitzy]

Kravstov Jones Strome and a first for Eichel is a no brainer if that’s in the vein of what would be on the table

Only with some serious retention. I'm only trading for Eichel if it leaves us enough cap to have both him and Zibby.

 

[rangers1314]

Kravstov Jones Strome and a first for Eichel is a no brainer if that’s in the vein of what would be on the table

I think any JE trade is going to have conditions up the ying yang.

Strome + VK OR Jones + 2022 1st + a variable pick which CAN be a the 2023 1st if certain milestones are hit.

 

[egelband]

I suspect the holdup with finalizing a Zibanejad deal is on the Rangers end. They will potentially acquire Eichel and tell Mika, here’s what we have left. Otherwise the Eichel deal doesn’t happen and there’s a bit more for Mika. It’s also not out of the realm of possibility that the Rangers have been up front with Mika’s team on this. There’s really no reason to play games. They probably have parameters, if not agreed, at least hashed-out. They have all season to proceed.