Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVI

[Shesterkybomb]

Nobody lets #1 centers walk away which is why it’s laughable to think the Rangers will let Mika go.

Lots of ifs here but if they get Eichel Zibs contract would have to have very little in the way of ntc, something ny could move if they needed to otherwise we can't afford both. If Eichel lands here its likely Zib moves on at some point.

 

[Synergy27]

Hertl(extended) for Chytil + leggooo

Let’s take the older, post injury, more expensive Hertl and give SJ the next Hertl in return. Let them have the younger, cheaper player and reap the benefits. Sounds like a great plan to me.

 

[jay from jersey]

Yeah can't imagine Zibanejad gets less than that.

I mean, that's just a killer contract for us to have to give him.

I'll tell you what the league has to do, it has to give teams some flexibility to get it's players paid but also some relief to teams who might want to move on when the player can't perform anymore.

That's insurance for the player - they get their money - but the team has cap space to maneuver.

There has to be some kind of system that can accomplish both.

That would be ideal, I have no idea how though. You’d go back to the days of those Hossa/Parise/kovy deals which really made it a problem for small market teams

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We can all complain about the state taxes, but let's not pretend that we have an advantage as well with New York being a lucrative destination. See Panarin, Fox. I think the salary cap could use some revamping, but the state taxes are literally one of the smallest issues it has. The bigger issue is the lack of advantage to sign you drafted players, or players who have been with the team for a long time. I think there should be a certain percentage that is removed from those contracts cap hits. It rewards drafting well, and it also rewards teams for signing long term deals. The biggest problem this league has is the fact that you really can't be super competitive forever. It's a damn shame what is happening with Tampa. They have drafted so well, gained good free agents and now they have to throw players over board every year to fit under the cap. It shouldn't have to be that way.

This team hasnt taken advantage of the fact players wanna be here, we rarely get a discount on contracts for that. I dont know how that changes but if everyone wants to play here it would stand to reason that would be reflected in a contract or two, Zuc aside we havent seen that.

 

[Synergy27]

We can all complain about the state taxes, but let's not pretend that we have an advantage as well with New York being a lucrative destination. See Panarin, Fox. I think the salary cap could use some revamping, but the state taxes are literally one of the smallest issues it has. The bigger issue is the lack of advantage to sign you drafted players, or players who have been with the team for a long time. I think there should be a certain percentage that is removed from those contracts cap hits. It rewards drafting well, and it also rewards teams for signing long term deals. The biggest problem this league has is the fact that you really can't be super competitive forever. It's a damn shame what is happening with Tampa. They have drafted so well, gained good free agents and now they have to throw players over board every year to fit under the cap. It shouldn't have to be that way.

I agree. The cap should basically not apply to drafted players, or only a small portion of drafted player salary should apply.

 

[Guyute]

We can all complain about the state taxes, but let's not pretend that we have an advantage as well with New York being a lucrative destination. See Panarin, Fox. I think the salary cap could use some revamping, but the state taxes are literally one of the smallest issues it has. The bigger issue is the lack of advantage to sign you drafted players, or players who have been with the team for a long time. I think there should be a certain percentage that is removed from those contracts cap hits. It rewards drafting well, and it also rewards teams for signing long term deals. The biggest problem this league has is the fact that you really can't be super competitive forever. It's a damn shame what is happening with Tampa. They have drafted so well, gained good free agents and now they have to throw players over board every year to fit under the cap. It shouldn't have to be that way.

I would be inclined to agree with you, but we are already screwed by the hard salary cap since we are one of the few teams that easily could spend far above it. It's been proven over and over that salary caps do not make a league more equitable. Just look at the success that the TB Rays and Royals have enjoyed over the past several years.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Let’s take the older, post injury, more expensive Hertl and give SJ the next Hertl in return. Let them have the younger, cheaper player and reap the benefits. Sounds like a great plan to me.

Chytil is no where near Hertl(yet). I personally don't see him getting there. If you're of the opinion that he does get to that level soon, then I see your point. I just personally don't see it.

 

[mas0764]

That would be ideal, I have no idea how though. You’d go back to the days of those Hossa/Parise/kovy deals which really made it a problem for small market teams

Soft cap that can be exceeded with luxury tax, the luxury tax is divided among the non-luxury teams to subsidize them?

 

[bleedblue94]

Barkov going off the market is no surprise. 10x8 should really bring zib down as barkov is younger, better and more complete.

And yet again young elite pipedream ufa doesn't make it to ufa status, no surprise to most of us...

 

[Synergy27]

Chytil is no where near Hertl(yet). I personally don't see him getting there. If you're of the opinion that he does get to that level soon, then I see your point. I just personally don't see it.

Yeah, I disagree:

You need to be able to project your own players when making decisions like this. The only thing holding Chytil back is opportunity.

 

[mas0764]

Barkov going off the market is no surprise. 10x8 should really bring zib down as barkov is younger, better and more complete.

And yet again young elite pipedream ufa doesn't make it to ufa status, no surprise to most of us...

Yeah but Zibanejad scores more goals.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Yeah, I disagree:

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You need to be able to project your own players when making decisions like this. The only thing holding Chytil back is opportunity.

Let's see if he's able to play a bigger role and if he can overtake Strome this season. I hope you're right, would be phenomenal for the Rangers if that came true.

 

[rangers1314]

No Reaves at practice, still listed as day to day.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Id guess that NFL players would accept coaches like this in exchange for guaranteed contracts

there is a lot of guaranteed money awarded to these NFL players

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Barkov going off the market is no surprise. 10x8 should really bring zib down as barkov is younger, better and more complete.

And yet again young elite pipedream ufa doesn't make it to ufa status, no surprise to most of us...

But Rongos will still refuse to draft centers

 

[LOFIN]

This team hasnt taken advantage of the fact players wanna be here, we rarely get a discount on contracts for that. I dont know how that changes but if everyone wants to play here it would stand to reason that would be reflected in a contract or two, Zuc aside we havent seen that.

True enough, but at that point some of it comes down to the GM, the team culture etc. Toronto has had similar problems, not being able to sign their players to bargain deals, while they are a very lucrative destination for players. On the other hand, while in Boston their tax rate isn't as high as it is in New York, they've had excellent success in convincing players to take less to ice a more competitive team. Some of this goes can be attributed to the GM for good negotiating, some of it comes down to peer pressure from the team.

 

[Zynbanejad]

Yeah, I disagree:

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You need to be able to project your own players when making decisions like this. The only thing holding Chytil back is opportunity.

Idk I don't think he's as talented. Has he ever got top-six time? I feel like he has, but his time there was limited

 

[Casper The Soy Ghost]

f*** Eichel.

Hertl has a 3 team trade list, he's rumoured to be looking for $7-8M AAV and he's ready to play now, not like Eichel who needs a major surgery. The $2-3M we would save om obtaining him over Eichel would be huge!

Also we got Zibanejad, Panarin and Fox on our PP, they're all righties. I'd rather have Hertl who's a lefty on PP1 with them.

 

[bl02]

Please no Hertl. Knee injuries like he's had will be a serious bitch very soon especially once he gets a long term contract. On top of that we have to give up young assets!!! No no no

 

[Casper The Soy Ghost]

Please no Hertl. Knee injuries like he's had will be a serious bitch very soon especially once he gets a long term contract. On top of that we have to give up young assets!!! No no no

Neck injuries can also be pretty serious...

Nah if he has a 3 team trade list and is an UFA he won't get more than a 1st + 2nd and a rosterplayer/decent prospect.

 

[bl02]

Neck injuries can also be pretty serious...

Nah if he has a 3 team trade list and is an UFA he won't get more than a 1st + 2nd and a rosterplayer/decent prospect.

Agreed. on your first point. No interested in trading for someone who could be damaged goods.
The Sharks are gonna want more than a first and second especially if that first is not gonna be close to a top 10 pick. And whats your example of a roster player/prospect? They are gonna want young and cheap. So would probably be a Nils/Schneider and another roster player who i have no idea who that would be since they will not want a Strome or Trouba or Kreider.
And then on top of that it comes down to Hertl wanting 8 million over 8 years or so asap.

 

[duhmetreE]

With modern medicine and stem cell therapy, typically not as worried for these type of injuries..... if they're a one-off.

That's not the case with Hertl... He has some weak ass knees. I like the player but committing long term to him is a major risk. He needs to come with a plan B

 

[Casper The Soy Ghost]

With modern medicine and stem cell therapy, typically not as worried for these type of injuries..... if they're a one-off.

That's not the case with Hertl... He has some weak ass knees. I like the player but committing long term to him is a major risk. He needs to come with a plan B

Knees weak, arms heavy, he'll score like Pasta(Pastrnak), mom's spaghetti.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

f*** Eichel.

Hertl has a 3 team trade list, he's rumoured to be looking for $7-8M AAV and he's ready to play now, not like Eichel who needs a major surgery. The $2-3M we would save om obtaining him over Eichel would be huge!

Also we got Zibanejad, Panarin and Fox on our PP, they're all righties. I'd rather have Hertl who's a lefty on PP1 with them.

Looking at the PP we have Lafreniere and Kakko both as LH shots ready to take Strome's spot.

 

[Casper The Soy Ghost]

Looking at the PP we have Lafreniere and Kakko both as LH shots ready to take Strome's spot.

Yeah but Hertl will take the faceoffs and screen the goalie. Zib and Panarin on Lw and LD, Fox RD. LAF/Kakko on the RW for one-timers.

Then

Chytil, Kakko/LAF, Kreider, Lundkvist and someone else on the 2nd unit.

Give the first unit like 80 secs, the second unit gets 40 secs of PP time and when we're up big let the 2nd unit get more PP time.