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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVI - Point Of No Return

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Ola said:
At 2013 the PA had used the inflator every year. Now it’s rolled back to like a %. Those predictions were basically only off by those 5%.
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That and the Canadian dollar.

My basic point was the cap ceiling going up will likely happen, how much % each year depends on factors outside of the NHLs control. Plus the CBA ends either by opt out Sept 2019 or after the 2022 season, more or less trying to count on what may play out seems like a dangerous game to me given how many new contracts the Rangers are likely to have to make right about when all that is happening.
 
East Coast Bias said:
Rangers are actually 13th if you go by points per game. Not great, Bob.

They’re in the Western Conf playoff race though, which is nice.

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They’re in 10th by actual points. I get what they’re doing, but you can’t assume points to be gained.

The post ASB schedule has been absurdly in their favor. 5 of the first 7 games are against teams on the tail end of b2bs with the Rangers rested. They’ve been facing a ton of backups lately too not that it’s really mattered, they’ve generally played well against them.
 
egelband said:
I was looking at the Bruins board. It appears they’re desperate for scoring and also disappointed in many of their prospects. Maybe they’ll come knocking for Zuccarello. It’s a pretty up-and-down team. Zucc could be a good fit.
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Zucc is a perfect fit for them. Skilled RW to play with Krejci that has some chippiness to his game. A guy they could extend and keep around for a reasonable price. A lot of their fans want Stone but no way Ottawa deals him to a team in their division without a premium.

Senyshyn is a guy I like for Zucc. He gets crapped on a lot but I see a lot of young Chris Kreider there. Big winger who skates like the wind and can score but isnt that well rounded in the rest of his game. He's scored as many goals in 40gp this year as he did in 66 last year. Is 13 goals in 40 games a lot? No, but Kreider had 12 in 48 in the AHL at the same age.

Bring him in and let Kreider mentor him and it could pay major dividends.
 
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Trxjw said:
Zucc is a perfect fit for them. Skilled RW to play with Krejci that has some chippiness to his game. A guy they could extend and keep around for a reasonable price. A lot of their fans want Stone but no way Ottawa deals him to a team in their division without a premium.

Senyshyn is a guy I like for Zucc. He gets crapped on a lot but I see a lot of young Chris Kreider there. Big winger who skates like the wind and can score but isnt that well rounded in the rest of his game. He's scored as many goals in 40gp this year as he did in 66 last year. Is 13 goals in 40 games a lot? No, but Kreider had 12 in 48 in the AHL at the same age.

Bring him in and let Kreider mentor him and it could pay major dividends.
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If Senyshyn was on the table, do you think the rest of the package would be a 2nd along with him or a 1st?
 
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So is the general consensus here that if the team doesn't end up with the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft that this season was a failure?
 
Pawnee Rangers said:
So is the general consensus here that if the team doesn't end up with the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft that this season was a failure?
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That's some peoples take, but definitely not the consensus.

What's getting overlooked is how these players are adapting to Quinn's system and taking on a winners mentality. Getting a lottery pick is great, but it's not the end all be all.
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
So is the general consensus here that if the team doesn't end up with the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft that this season was a failure?
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Great name bud.

I think we need to draft top 5, or have 3 picks in the first round again.

Its hard to complain about the crop of guys we got last year. Some argue we should jump up and try to acquire "Elite talent" whatever that means.
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
So is the general consensus here that if the team doesn't end up with the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft that this season was a failure?
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i've been guessing all season that pre-lottery we'll be in the 6 spot, which leaves us anywhere from 1-9 at draft.

still right now, it looks like ott, det, la will all be worst than nyr
 
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Rangers need to get a great prospect and a first, or two first round picks (not including their own) - those are my expectations. I think this is their last year where they will be able to have 3 1st round picks again like last year. Next year, I doubt Kreider is traded, and we have Namestnikov, Vesey, Fast as UFAs - none of which will get us a 1st round pick. Maybe Shattenkirk nets us a 1st round pick, especially with term and and salary retained if he is moved next year.
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
So is the general consensus here that if the team doesn't end up with the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft that this season was a failure?
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As in life do everything that is in your control and do your due diligence then let the chips(ping pong Balls) fall where they may.

Also maybe don't hire such a good coach if you want to tank.:rolleyes::laugh:

PS I just did the Sim Tankathon with the Rangers in there current position and it came up 1 on the first try!!
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
So is the general consensus here that if the team doesn't end up with the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft that this season was a failure?
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Not from my vantage point. I think the Rangers end up at least top 7 if not top 5. I’m more concerned that Gorton finds a way to add two more 1sts. If the Rangers come away with Cozens, or even Turcotte, plus another highly-skilled wing and a Dman like Soderstrom, I am completely satisfied.
 
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Vinny DeAngelo said:
Great name bud.

I think we need to draft top 5, or have 3 picks in the first round again.

Its hard to complain about the crop of guys we got last year. Some argue we should jump up and try to acquire "Elite talent" whatever that means.
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Agreed, but I have no complaints about last year or the year before. You never know where that elite talent will be or how these guys will pan out. For a McDavid, you have a Yakupov. For a Barzal, you have a Bleackley. For the supposed good picks with Zacha and Patrick, both of those guys have struggled, though it's early to dismiss them.

I've been happy with the route we've gone. Not necessarily looking like game-breaking talent just yet, but there's a lot to like.

Between trades and our own picks, we've basically acquired 6 first rounders in the last 3 drafts, never mind the solid picks it appears we've made in later rounds. Our prospect pool has taken a massive step forward from where we were.

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Failure? No, yet the odds of them getting a super high ceiling prospect probably diminish somewhat. Yet all along I was of the opinion that the Rangers were going to have to draft prospects who in hindsight should have been taken earlier in their respective draft classes no matter what short of them getting a top 2 pick.

If they've already done that with Chytil, Miller, Kravtsov, ect that is great, yet I still think they are going to need to do more of it. So obviously that leads me to want to see them get more picks even if that only somewhat increases the odds they can get those "in hindsight" should have been drafted earlier players.
 
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I will say that if we aren’t picking Top-3 or so that we will have another chance next season because I just don’t see us being any better next year.

I don’t see how this defense gets improved in one off season.
 
Riche16 said:
I will say that if we aren’t picking Top-3 or so that we will have another chance next season because I just don’t see us being any better next year.

I don’t see how this defense gets improved in one off season.
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agreed. the forwards will be different (add kratsov, subtract (at least) hayes ... prob. more), hank will be a year older, but yeah maybe lindgren stays full-time and smith gets bought out but still d's not good enough
 
This rebuild is different then some weve seen. and i think its the right way to do it. theyre selling assets collecting picks and prospect but are trying to keep a winning attitude and mentality. Something that goes missing in some rebuilds ala Edm, Ari. I do hope the team loses enough to get a top 5 pick and after the deadline that is def a possibility. Add in 1 maybe 2 more 1st round picks and this team should be ready to compete by 21-22
 
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Trxjw said:
Some people certainly feel that way but no, it's not the consensus. Most of us prospect junkies would be thrilled to get into that 3-5 range and get a crack at Dach, Cozens, or Byram.
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My preference is well known, but yeah. Any of the three would be fantastic.
 
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