Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVI - Point Of No Return

[Ghost of jas]

Hey guys, the easy thing to do is just stop feeding the troll. It’s Wolfy’s same shtick and it’s every other ****ing page of these threads.

I find the creep factor somewhat fascinating.

 

[DutchShamrock]

No I think he was very disappointed because he didn't hear anything about their future plans for him. He's a very emotional guy, and his worries got to him. Then he told us what was wrong in a Brooks interview, the management reacted and called him in for a meeting.

Oh, so he is emotionally unstable and he let's his mood adversely affect his play. Got it. His rollercoaster of emotions will impact his production. Hmm, not really a feather in his cap for captain. I don't know, I would be reluctant to extend and then elevate a guy that buckles when he isn't happy or if management doesn't constantly check in on him. What if Quinn doesn't go to Norway this summer and kiss the ring? We saw how Zuccarello disappeared until January when Quinn didn't cater to his emotional needs.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I find the creep factor somewhat fascinating.

And it’s used as a means to derail every single discussion. The ignore function is basically rendered useless because it’s just obsequious slobbering over a guy that won’t even be here in two weeks, but people still respond to the obvious bait.

Seeings walls of nonsensical responses to idiotic posts every page is annoying.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I see a lot of people saying "trade XX and re-sign them in the summer".

I have to ask, how often does that actually happen? How many times has it happened in the league in the past 10 years?

Once

 

[effen]

And it’s used as a means to derail every single discussion. The ignore function is basically rendered useless because it’s just obsequious slobbering over a guy that won’t even be here in two weeks, but people still respond to the obvious bait.

Seeings walls of nonsensical responses to idiotic posts every page is annoying.

He's branched out into insinuating Quinn will scratch ADA after the last game where ADA scored the game winning goal and led everyone in ice time.

Give credit where it's due.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I see a lot of people saying "trade XX and re-sign them in the summer".

I have to ask, how often does that actually happen? How many times has it happened in the league in the past 10 years?

Get used to it, some people just can’t move on

 

[Mac n Gs]

He's branched out into insinuating Quinn will scratch ADA after the last game where ADA scored the game winning goal and led everyone in ice time.

Give credit where it's due.

Coming off a game where the coach played him 24+ min, while praising his skill and ability to get under the opposition’s skin.

Like I said, just let the stupidity die.

 

[Ghost of jas]

And it’s used as a means to derail every single discussion. The ignore function is basically rendered useless because it’s just obsequious slobbering over a guy that won’t even be here in two weeks, but people still respond to the obvious bait.

Seeings walls of nonsensical responses to idiotic posts every page is annoying.

In truth, you’re correct. Most of us have a fairly good grasp on these matters. And, frankly much of the distractions you mention come off as secret diary entries of a teenager, lacking any substance IMO. And, I’ll admit the 15-year-old in me relishes the humor it spurs. But, half the page sometimes is nothing but responses without any substance.

 

[duhmetreE]

This would be good for Zuccarello, his agent and no one else. He gets an absurd amount of cash over an insane length of time and he gets full protection in the likely event he drops off. If that's the cost for assuming the gamble of his undersized body breaking down before he is 37, he can't get that elsewhere.

6% of cap for Zucc is a great deal.. We just gave Names and Spooner 5%

4 years 5 million is an absurd amount of cash and insane length of time?

 

[Webster]

Oh, so he is emotionally unstable and he let's his mood adversely affect his play. Got it. His rollercoaster of emotions will impact his production. Hmm, not really a feather in his cap for captain. I don't know, I would be reluctant to extend and then elevate a guy that buckles when he isn't happy or if management doesn't constantly check in on him. What if Quinn doesn't go to Norway this summer and kiss the ring? We saw how Zuccarello disappeared until January when Quinn didn't cater to his emotional needs.

It doesn't make him a bad player or a bad leader. An example last night was when he jumped a much bigger guy. His grit, physical play and everything else he does out there is what they want in a captain. His play is what they want the kids to watch and learn from.

Quinn said he loves coaching him, I think they get along really well.

 

[Thirty One]

I see a lot of people saying "trade XX and re-sign them in the summer".

I have to ask, how often does that actually happen? How many times has it happened in the league in the past 10 years?

It's talked about far more often then it actually happens, but at least four by my count:

Olli Jokinen (CGY -> NYR -> CGY)
Antoine Vermette (ARI -> CHI -> ARI)
Tomas Plekanec (MTL -> TOR -> MTL)
Matt Moulson (BUF -> MIN -> BUF)​

 

[Off Sides]

Rangers hopefully have a ton of 2nd contracts up for debate after all these prospects and picks, current and future end their entry levels over the next 3-4-5 years, I am hopeful the Rangers are contingent of all that and will elegantly manage it without adding too much from the danger of decline category into all that.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

It's talked about far more often then it actually happens, but at least four by my count:

Olli Jokinen (CGY -> NYR -> CGY)
Antoine Vermette (ARI -> CHI -> ARI)
Tomas Plekanec (MTL -> TOR -> MTL)
Matt Moulson (BUF -> MIN -> BUF)​

Didn't that happen with Pancakes Penner as well or am I misremembering?

 

[Thirty One]

Didn't that happen with Pancakes Penner as well or am I misremembering?

Well he went back to the Ducks after signing with the Oilers seven years previous, but no.

 

[Thirty One]

It's talked about far more often then it actually happens, but at least four by my count:

Olli Jokinen (CGY -> NYR -> CGY)
Antoine Vermette (ARI -> CHI -> ARI)
Tomas Plekanec (MTL -> TOR -> MTL)
Matt Moulson (BUF -> MIN -> BUF)​

Zbynek Michalek is another one (ARI -> STL -> ARI)

 

[Ola]

Considering the giant favour to Tampa that that'd be, I sure hope they try to get a little more than that.

Gorts shouldn’t trade with Yzerman.

 

[Ola]

Brooks mentioned ‘pre-tampering’, but that cannot really be a problem can it? You must be allowed to discuss the future with a player. Have you guys heard about pre-tampering being a thing in any of the other major sports in the US?

Like I can imagine that it’s possible to create hypothetical situations that could be a bit questionable, but there can of course not be a general rule where a team can not express long term interest in a player.

 

[duhmetreE]

It's not talked about much but with Seattle and the New TV deal, you will be benefiting greatly in locking up 'franchise'/'cornerstone' players within the next couple years. Or avoid bridging RFA's you're somewhat confident in.

-2019-20 is estimated to be $83M
-guesstimating with Seattle, 2020-21 will be around $88M
-with the new TV deal in 2021-22, we should be approaching $100M

In other words, if Mika continues his Super Saiyan play, he could be looking at a massive payday.... $12-14M AAV in 2022-2023

 

[Ola]

Zbynek Michalek is another one (ARI -> STL -> ARI)

Hayes and/or Zucc should pull an Sean Avery. Sign somewhere, stink up the joint, and be traded back to us at 50%.

Wasn’t Larionov also signed by like Florida and then after like a month traded back to Detroit?

 

[EpicDing]

Gorts shouldn’t trade with Yzerman.

Good thing Yzerman is no longer a GM.

 

[Thirty One]

Hayes and/or Zucc should pull an Sean Avery. Sign somewhere, stink up the joint, and be traded back to us at 50%.

Wasn’t Larionov also signed by like Florida and then after like a month traded back to Detroit?

I can't imagine Zucc making the waves that Avery made in Dallas.

 

[Off Sides]

Not sure I believe cap estimates

From 2013

Mirtle also predicts the NHL salary cap will reach $80 million by 2016-17, and $100 million (with a cap floor at more than $75 million) by the time the CBA expires in 2022.

Get Ready For A $100 Million NHL Salary Cap. | Spectors Hockey

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Brooks made it pretty clear they want him back, if they trade him in the first place. And Zucc will return no matter what, if they have a deal, you shouldn't question his loyalty to the Rangers.

Brooks also said we were not trading Stepan, 6 hours before the trade was announced

 

[SA16]

It doesn't make him a bad player or a bad leader. An example last night was when he jumped a much bigger guy. His grit, physical play and everything else he does out there is what they want in a captain. His play is what they want the kids to watch and learn from.

Quinn said he loves coaching him, I think they get along really well.

Then why didn’t he go visit him in the offseason? He said he didn’t even realize Norway was so close.

 

[Ola]

It's not talked about much but with Seattle and the New TV deal, you will be benefiting greatly in locking up 'franchise'/'cornerstone' players within the next couple years. Or avoid bridging RFA's you're somewhat confident in.

-2019-20 is estimated to be $83M
-guesstimating with Seattle, 2020-21 will be around $88M
-with the new TV deal in 2021-22, we should be approaching $100M

In other words, if Mika continues his Super Saiyan play, he could be looking at a massive payday.... $12-14M AAV in 2022-2023

I definitely think you are right in principle. But the Seattle boost should come a year later right?

A 5% organic growth is low for the NHL. For years it’s been higher than that despite not everything exactly going perfect. Real cap growth has been affected a lot by the loonie dropping and the inflator being rolled back from 5% to almost nothing. Soon there won’t be any escrow money not paid back to the players.

But even if you ‘just’ count on those 5% — the cap is taking off. 80 to 84 to 88.4 to 93 to 97.5 to 102. The cap would be hitting 100m in just 5 years. In good years the underlying HRR have grown more than 5% often and a lot more than 5% several times since 05. You could have that, or you could have a positive currency effect (it can’t get much worse) or you can have a one time positive effect from an expansion team coming of generating a lot of revenues or a new tv deal or something — and it has a huge impact on the cap. We have seen the cap go up 12% before — if the cap is 90-100m a 12% increase is monumental with the relatively low individual salaries we are seing right now.

You never know what is going to happen, but I wouldn’t worry at all if I was in Toronto’s situation.