Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVI - Point Of No Return

[Lindberg Cheese]

Lets get Cally and make sure get Tbays 1st and 2nd...........

I’d take Cally and Raddysh for Shatty

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

MIN is a team I'd be looking to ripoff ASAP. Try and pry away their first rounder and then pray it ends up being a lottery pick.

I was thinking trading Staal there, retain 1.7 and get a 3rd

 

[Filthy Dangles]

I was thinking trading Staal there, retain 1.7 and get a 3rd

They have a much more cost controlled Staal in Nick Seeler, with Brodin and Suter above him at LD depth. Why would they want Staal?

 

[East Coast Bias]

I was thinking trading Staal there, retain 1.7 and get a 3rd

Ain't a trade deadline without someone trying to re-unite the Staal brothers.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

They have a much more cost controlled Staal in Nick Seeler, with Brodin and Suter above him at LD depth. Why would they want Staal?

Because Eric and Marc are brothers

 

[One Winged Angel]

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Panarin is elite.
Hayes can play C or Wing.
Boyle is better than Nieves. We can move on from Nieves. We have a ton of kids its good to have a vet like Boyle centering the 4th line.
Stralman is only an option if they move Smith out. Staal on the left side so that doesnt affect anything. Pionk is trash, trade him. ADA wont be blocked. Let Hajek get some more pro time in the A. Lindgren I see making it. I laid out the lines in another post.

There will be plenty of room for the kids. Its ok to sign some players. Need to insulate the kids with established pro talent...another reason why trading everyone imaginable is ****ing stupid

So because Panarin is elite we should throw a blank check his way? How long will he remain elite?

Stralman is going to be 33 to start the next year. He’s regressed tremendously since he was here. You want to sign a 33 year old regressing dman over Pionk? What a silly idea man...

You also want a 34 year old Boyle playing our 4C?

And we’re re-signing Hayes too? 7x6 with a NMC?

Thank god you’re not running this team. This mentality is why we needed a rebuild. We’re in year 1 of our rebuild and in your head we’ve completed that rebuild.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

Lets hope it isn’t his foot

 

[One Winged Angel]

Panarin is elite.
Hayes can play C or Wing.
Boyle is better than Nieves. We can move on from Nieves. We have a ton of kids its good to have a vet like Boyle centering the 4th line.
Stralman is only an option if they move Smith out. Staal on the left side so that doesnt affect anything. Pionk is trash, trade him. ADA wont be blocked. Let Hajek get some more pro time in the A. Lindgren I see making it. I laid out the lines in another post.

There will be plenty of room for the kids. Its ok to sign some players. Need to insulate the kids with established pro talent...another reason why trading everyone imaginable is ****ing stupid

Panarin, yes, but a blank check is not optimal.

Boyle over Nieves? That’s pointless. Stralman’s name shouldn’t come up at all unless Smith AND Staal are moved with ZERO retention.

I understand the point of needing a few veterans, but adding players on the wrong side of 30 is not a sound strategy. Veterans do not have to be over 30 and at the asset management you’re describing is not optimal for a rebuild.

 

[Tawnos]

Lets hope it isn’t his foot

I'm sure it's a maintenance day. No idea why beat reporters report who isn't at practice, or who left practice early, before they find out why. Sure, it's possible they've been traded, but nearly every time that's been the case the report has been "X has left practice, told he's been traded"

I guess they're just looking for the one time it isn't.

 

[Kovalev27]

I wonder if you could get kaprizov out of Minnesota. they'd had a lot of issues with him trying to get him over and he claims its more on them than anything else. he's got next year still in the K but eligible to come over for 20-21. could you get kaprizov and a first for Hayes?

 

[Thirty One]

I wonder if you could get kaprizov out of Minnesota. they'd had a lot of issues with him trying to get him over and he claims its more on them than anything else. he's got next year still in the K but eligible to come over for 20-21. could you get kaprizov and a first for Hayes?

If they could then they should.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

I wonder if you could get kaprizov out of Minnesota. they'd had a lot of issues with him trying to get him over and he claims its more on them than anything else. he's got next year still in the K but eligible to come over for 20-21. could you get kaprizov and a first for Hayes?

Doubt you can get Kaprizov and a first for just Hayes. Maybe Kaprizov and second

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Panarin is elite.
Hayes can play C or Wing.
Boyle is better than Nieves. We can move on from Nieves. We have a ton of kids its good to have a vet like Boyle centering the 4th line.
Stralman is only an option if they move Smith out. Staal on the left side so that doesnt affect anything. Pionk is trash, trade him. ADA wont be blocked. Let Hajek get some more pro time in the A. Lindgren I see making it. I laid out the lines in another post.

There will be plenty of room for the kids. Its ok to sign some players. Need to insulate the kids with established pro talent...another reason why trading everyone imaginable is ****ing stupid

Yikes. This would just be awful.

Boyle, Stralman? I mean...I understand nostalgia, but don't let it cloud your vision.

There is no reason this team should be signing Panarin. I've said it over and over again, but he is getting older and will very likely be on the back-end of his career once we are ready to compete. Unless we want to be saddled with another ridiculous aging contract, we should avoid him at all costs.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'm sure it's a maintenance day. No idea why beat reporters report who isn't at practice, or who left practice early, before they find out why. Sure, it's possible they've been traded, but nearly every time that's been the case the report has been "X has left practice, told he's been traded"

I guess they're just looking for the one time it isn't.

Webster has him locked in his cubbie.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Webster has him locked in his cubbie.

Or some cabin up in the woods of New England.

 

[Kovalev27]

Doubt you can get Kaprizov and a first for just Hayes. Maybe Kaprizov and second

kaprizov is going to be a major problem for Minnesota and he can't come for awhile still they might want to cut their losses and use him as a chip. it would still be a risk for us as there's no guarantee he's coming over. so a first would have to be included

 

[mulli25]

I tend to be more optimistic than most others in the "pro-tank" crowd, in that I think its reasonable that we could competitive in ~2-3 years, on the upswing towards being a contender.

However, the only realistic way the rebuild is getting "accelerated" while still culminating with a solid extended-length cup window (Chicago, pitt, wash, etc.) is to get lucky. We'd need to find talent in multiple rounds of the draft more consistently then the historical averages for the respective pick ranges.

We may be able to get to "contention" faster, say through trades and FA signings, but each step in that direction likely takes a chunk of time off the competitive window we'll be working with.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Yikes. This would just be awful.

Boyle, Stralman? I mean...I understand nostalgia, but don't let it cloud your vision.

There is no reason this team should be signing Panarin. I've said it over and over again, but he is getting older and will very likely be on the back-end of his career once we are ready to compete. Unless we want to be saddled with another ridiculous aging contract, we should avoid him at all costs.

Panarin is 27, will be 28 in October. A 7 year deal would take him to 35. You think his play will take such a nose-dive by that time that he won’t be able to contribute when he’s 31-32?

I don’t agree with that at all. If he was 30, then yes, I can completely understand that and would agree with you.

 

[Thirty One]

Panarin is 27, will be 28 in October. A 7 year deal would take him to 35. You think his play will take such a nose-dive by that time that he won’t be able to contribute when he’s 31-32?

It wouldn't be a rare event by a long-shot.

 

[Off Sides]

I tend to be more optimistic than most others in the "pro-tank" crowd, in that I think its reasonable that we could competitive in ~2-3 years, on the upswing towards being a contender.

However, the only realistic way the rebuild is getting "accelerated" while still culminating with a solid extended-length cup window (Chicago, pitt, wash, etc.) is to get lucky. We'd need to find talent in multiple rounds of the draft more consistently then the historical averages for the respective pick ranges.

We may be able to get to "contention" faster, say through trades and FA signings, but each step in that direction likely takes a chunk of time off the competitive window we'll be working with.

Which is where the faith sort of has to come into play, Rangers are going to have, if they keep selling for picks, lots of them. Given who they've selected the past couple drafts maybe they will beat the odds? Some combo of their own picks plus those garnered through selling at least gives them a large quantity of chances. Maybe they move up too?

(which is my biggest gripe with the goalie selection last draft, I think they need to take more boom or bust skater picks in that draft position) (also relates to me not loving the idea of them trading for prospects instead of picks as I just don't think the ceilings of those prospects quite line up to what they need most yet if that is what is available in lieu of picks, I guess that also lends to it)

 

[Webster]

Captain Zucc works hard 25 mins a game, time to give him a day off..

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I wonder if you could get kaprizov out of Minnesota. they'd had a lot of issues with him trying to get him over and he claims its more on them than anything else. he's got next year still in the K but eligible to come over for 20-21. could you get kaprizov and a first for Hayes?

I might be happy with just Kaprizov, he's a very, very high end talent. Could be Panarin pt 2.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Kaprizov would be a massive pickup.

He’s a monster

 

[haohmaru]

We have heard that before on this board.

The Rangers weren't trading McDonagh unless they got a 1st line forward in return. The Rangers shouldn't trade Zuccarello unless they get back an offer they can't refuse. The Rangers shouldn't trade Hayes unless they get a top winger or RHD back in return.

Kreider has one year remaining on his contract. His value decreases everyday he gets closer to free agency. The Rangers have a decision to make. They can pay Kreider $7M per for 5-6 seasons or they can trade him. If they trade him at the 2020 deadline, they are looking at a 1st and something for him. That's the reality of the situation. Maybe they should consider putting him into a deal before the 25th and get more than a 1st and something else.

A 1st, plus something, plus something else could be "stupid good" depending on where the 1st pick is. I'm not saying don't trade Kreider. I'm not saying don't sign Kreider. The Rangers need to do what's best for the organization and Kreider, or even Hayes, can and should be part of that future IF whatever trades are being offered are weak sauce. Same thing for Zuccarello. If we're getting back something dopey like a 3rd and a career AHL'er, there's no reason not to sign the guy who clearly wants to stay here. You do what's best for the team, regardless. I'm not moving guys just to move them.