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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXV - Time to say Goodbye

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UAGoalieGuy said:
I may be in the minority but I'd really like to see the Rangers keep Strome. He has another year left at $3.1 then is an RFA.
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Isn't the RFA status kind of nothing though, no one is going to qualify him at that number with how he plays.
 
DanielBrassard said:
Which is why they should move him. He's been pretty bad and that's 3.1M in cap room we could use in FA. But we are probably stuck with him.
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They will have $20MM in cap space as it stand right now with 14 signed players and 3 RFAS (Buch/ADA/Pionk), assuming the cap goes up to $80MM. It shouldn't take too much to resign all of them, probably between $6 and $8MM.

$12 to $14MM in cap space with 17 players signed. A couple more players on ELCs should be joinning the club as well (Andersson/Kravtsov) as well.

They will have some room to add. I also see them trying to find a deal to move Smith.

On a sidenote, I didnt realize they retained $900K on Spooner.
 
We took Spooner essentially as a cap dump, turned him into a marginally better player with the trade. Edmonton did a number on Strome. No reason we can't rehab him back into a 30-40 point player. His brother rebounded very nicely after questionable management. Not saying it impacts his future but someone will always assume the sibling will mimic trends.

There are tons of Strome level trades all season long and there's no reason we can't address that at any point in the future.
 
Cassano said:
Lol.
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Ok tell me how Strome is good then?

Since joining the Rangers here are his stats among forwards who have played at least 300 minutes (281 players).

Shot rate - 4th most
Goal rate - 60th worst
Assists rate - 85th worst
Point rate - 48th worst
CF60 - 13th worst
CA60 - 31st worst
CF% - 14th worst
HDCF% - dead last
GF60 - 69th worst
GA60 - 118th worst
Hit rate - 57th worst
Shot block rate - 128th worst

Below average at literally everything. Really bad at many things.

Spooner at the least, despite his flaws, has a history of being a very good even strength scorer.

But I guess nothing matters because who cares it's helping the tank.
 
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SA16 said:
Ok tell me how Strome is good then?

Since joining the Rangers here are his stats among forwards who have played at least 300 minutes (281 players).

Shot rate - 4th most
Goal rate - 60th worst
Assists rate - 85th worst
Point rate - 48th worst
CF60 - 13th worst
CA60 - 31st worst
CF% - 14th worst
HDCF% - dead last
GF60 - 69th worst
GA60 - 118th worst
Hit rate - 57th worst
Shot block rate - 128th worst

Below average at literally everything. Really bad at many things.

Spooner at the least, despite his flaws, has a history of being a very good even strength scorer.

But I guess nothing matters because who cares it's helping the tank.
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More interested in his relative ranks...since our team is kinda brutal.
 
Inferno said:
More interested in his relative ranks...since our team is kinda brutal.
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Safe to say if he is among the worst the league in several categories that his relative ranks are also terrible.

But if you want his rank among Rangers only it is...(among 11 forwards who have at least 200 mins since then):

CF60: 9th
CA60: 9th
CF%: 10th
HDCF%: last
Shot rate: last
Goal rate - 8th
Assist rate - 7th
Hits - 6th
Shot blocks - 9th
Penalties drawn - 9th
Penalties taken - 4th most

Still below average on the team in everything including non-offensive stuff like hits and shot blocks.

He has not been good. People only like him because he's not Spooner who was soft and terrible this year however Spooner does have a history of being very good offensively (and bad at basically everything else).

If Strome somehow has a reputation for being a decent checking player then all the more reason for getting what you can for him now if someone is interested. Now, to be fair, playing with Howden certainly has not helped him.
 
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Shouldn’t really surprise anyone that Strome stinks

He’s always been bad. Spooner literally forgot how to play hockey this year so it works out but any other year I would have taken Spooner over Strome
 
SA16 said:
Ok tell me how Strome is good then?

Since joining the Rangers here are his stats among forwards who have played at least 300 minutes (281 players).

Shot rate - 4th most
Goal rate - 60th worst
Assists rate - 85th worst
Point rate - 48th worst
CF60 - 13th worst
CA60 - 31st worst
CF% - 14th worst
HDCF% - dead last
GF60 - 69th worst
GA60 - 118th worst
Hit rate - 57th worst
Shot block rate - 128th worst

Below average at literally everything. Really bad at many things.

Spooner at the least, despite his flaws, has a history of being a very good even strength scorer.

But I guess nothing matters because who cares it's helping the tank.
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There is no stat that I know of that tracks perimeter play. Spooner IMO should get top marks for that.
 
eco's bones said:
There is no stat that I know of that tracks perimeter play. Spooner IMO should get top marks for that.
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Perimeter play is not any worse than being in tough in front of the net or being strong on the corners except that it appears lazier. It's just being a thinking player as opposed to an extremely active one. Spooner has 3 seasons, 2 full seasons, of putting up over 2 points/60. If you're going to score at that rate I really do not care if you play on the perimeter or not. This year when he wasn't scoring at all obviously it's a bit more of an issue.
 
SA16 said:
Safe to say if he is among the worst the league in several categories that his relative ranks are also terrible.

But if you want his rank among Rangers only it is...(among 11 forwards who have at least 200 mins since then):

CF60: 9th
CA60: 9th
CF%: 10th
HDCF%: last
Shot rate: last
Goal rate - 8th
Assist rate - 7th
Hits - 6th
Shot blocks - 9th
Penalties drawn - 9th
Penalties taken - 4th most

Still below average on the team in everything including non-offensive stuff like hits and shot blocks.

He has not been good. People only like him because he's not Spooner who was soft and terrible this year however Spooner does have a history of being very good offensively (and bad at basically everything else).

If Strome somehow has a reputation for being a decent checking player then all the more reason for getting what you can for him now if someone is interested. Now, to be fair, playing with Howden certainly has not helped him.
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Are those relative numbers or just his raw rank?
 
SA16 said:
Ok tell me how Strome is good then?

Since joining the Rangers here are his stats among forwards who have played at least 300 minutes (281 players).

Shot rate - 4th most
Goal rate - 60th worst
Assists rate - 85th worst
Point rate - 48th worst
CF60 - 13th worst
CA60 - 31st worst
CF% - 14th worst
HDCF% - dead last
GF60 - 69th worst
GA60 - 118th worst
Hit rate - 57th worst
Shot block rate - 128th worst

Below average at literally everything. Really bad at many things.

Spooner at the least, despite his flaws, has a history of being a very good even strength scorer.

But I guess nothing matters because who cares it's helping the tank.
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So you’d rather have Spooner back who has 5 points in 41 games? That’s a 10 point pace, for reference, Marc Staal has 11 points in 51 games...

He was waived by the offense hungry Oilers
Strome has more points, is younger, and is much better defensively
 
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I would rather have Strome because he will help the team tank to a better draft spot more than Spooner would.

Inferno said:
Are those relative numbers or just his raw rank?
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It's the same thing...

Lays said:
So you’d rather have Spooner back who has 5 points in 41 games? That’s a 10 point pace
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This is flawed math but I don't feel like getting into the pace thing again. Pace being Stat/GP*82 is nonsense.
 
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UAGoalieGuy said:
They will have $20MM in cap space as it stand right now with 14 signed players and 3 RFAS (Buch/ADA/Pionk), assuming the cap goes up to $80MM. It shouldn't take too much to resign all of them, probably between $6 and $8MM.

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Honestly I am not offering Pionk or ADA a ton of Money. If we were to spend more than $4 -$5 million for all 3 I would be angry. All are replaceable.
 
Strome is a case where the eye test doesn't quite match the underlying advanced numbers.

Spooner played well for us after the deadline last year. He got market value for his two year deal. His play this season fell off a cliff. He legitimately looks like he already has his sights set on playing in Switzerland next year.
 
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