Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXV - Time to say Goodbye

[LeetchisGod]

I don’t think we’re offer sheeting anyone. I think we’re going all in on Panarin and EK. They’ll try and move Shattenkirk or staal or both out before July 1 to do it but I think that’s the direction. We”ll most likely have 3 first rounders this summer. That would make 8 in 3 years. With that gorton will want to add some elite veteran talent to go with Kreider Mika Skjei DeAngelo Hank and ugh Pionk

I want nothing to do with Karlsson. He's a slightly built guy with plenty of city miles on his body. When he declines, it will be very fast.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Probably because Panarin is an elite star in this league and Brassard is at best a second line center.

Yet, the general concept remains that free agents signed to long-term deals are generally terrible on the back-end of said contracts.

This team is years away from competing. I don't see a reason to saddle the team with such a contract, which will be an albatross by the time the team is really ready to make some noise.

 

[mulli25]

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Fantastic. I've long though about compiling something similar, but never harnessed the motivation.

Makes sense, it takes multiple years at the bottom to effectively tilt the odds of getting a franchise player in your favor.

There's really no way around it either, other than plain old luck. Here's to hoping that Gorts is a lucky SOB.

 

[Dijock94]

Yet, the general concept remains that free agents signed to long-term deals are generally terrible on the back-end of said contracts.

This team is years away from competing. I don't see a reason to saddle the team with such a contract, which will be an albatross by the time the team is really ready to make some noise.

Thankyou

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Carp is in fantasy land

I fully expect Gorton to sell of his assets by the trade deadline and continue building through the draft. This summer is not the time to strike in the FA market IMO.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

atm I wouldn't be willing to pay out any FA-deal with a cap-hit above 8 million per year. And I strongly suppose Karlsson and Panarin will look at much more than that.

Just too much risk in this cap-era. If we ever learn from our mistakes, we should chill at free agency.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Carp is in fantasy land

I fully expect Gorton to sell of his assets by the trade deadline and continue building through the draft. This summer is not the time to strike in the FA market IMO.

He’s going to try to do both IMO.

I’d be pleasantly surprised if he stayed clear of the Free agent market for the 2nd year in a row. A stripped down version of this current team would be a bottom 3 team next year.

 

[SA16]

I believe this summer is the type to strike in the FA market. It will likely be a good FA class and can have all of Panarin,Stone,Duchene,Karlsson,Hayes etc. available. That doesn't happen every year. Last year you had JT and then lesser pieces. Previous years had top players being Okposo, Lucic and the like. I think that in a year where you know there are actual elite players available and you have plenty of cap space to sign them you do it even if it is a year or so earlier than planned. You wait two years and you may end up ready to compete and sign someone and there being nobody that good available.

 

[NYR Viper]

Because it's boring around here and we have not much else to discuss besides rehashing the SAME topics over and over, let's take a look at some of the middle-tier or lower tier UFA's we would not mind bringing in on short-term deals to help insulate the kids or become trade assets at future deadlines:


Derrick Brassard
30 years old
16 points in 41 games
Center

Anton Stralman
31 years old
12 points in 33 games
RD

Mats Zuccarello
30 years old
28 points in 37 games
RW

Carl Hagelin
29 years old
6 points on 30 games played
LW

Colin Wilson
28 years old
16 points in 42 games played
LW

Richard Panik
27 years old
21 points in 48 games played
LW/RW

Brian Boyle
33 years old
19 points in 46 games played
C/LW

Oscar Lindberg
26 years old
9 points in 28 games played
C/LW


I would probably try to attract a few guys with high cap hit, short term deals. I'd go after:

Brian Boyle
1 year @ $3.5m

Anton Stralman
2 years @ $4.5m per season

Mats Zuccarello
3 years @ $5m per season

Derrick Brassard
2 years @ $3.5m per season

Yes I realize all of these guys used to be Rangers. No that didn't effect my judgement, but they would be nice short-term stop-gaps and could be used as nice deadline pieces to sell for futures

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I believe this summer is the type to strike in the FA market. It will likely be a good FA class and can have all of Panarin,Stone,Duchene,Karlsson,Hayes etc. available. That doesn't happen every year. Last year you had JT and then lesser pieces. Previous years had top players being Okposo, Lucic and the like. I think that in a year where you know there are actual elite players available and you have plenty of cap space to sign them you do it even if it is a year or so earlier than planned. You wait two years and you may end up ready to compete and sign someone and there being nobody that good available.

That guy would probably be available via trade. They always are.

Stock the system so you have the asssts to pull it off.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Because it's boring around here and we have not much else to discuss besides rehashing the SAME topics over and over, let's take a look at some of the middle-tier or lower tier UFA's we would not mind bringing in on short-term deals to help insulate the kids or become trade assets at future deadlines:


Derrick Brassard
30 years old
16 points in 41 games
Center

Anton Stralman
31 years old
12 points in 33 games
RD

Mats Zuccarello
30 years old
28 points in 37 games
RW

Carl Hagelin
29 years old
6 points on 30 games played
LW

Colin Wilson
28 years old
16 points in 42 games played
LW

Richard Panik
27 years old
21 points in 48 games played
LW/RW

Brian Boyle
33 years old
19 points in 46 games played
C/LW

Oscar Lindberg
26 years old
9 points in 28 games played
C/LW


I would probably try to attract a few guys with high cap hit, short term deals. I'd go after:

Brian Boyle
1 year @ $3.5m

Anton Stralman
2 years @ $4.5m per season

Mats Zuccarello
3 years @ $5m per season

Derrick Brassard
2 years @ $3.5m per season

Yes I realize all of these guys used to be Rangers. No that didn't effect my judgement, but they would be nice short-term stop-gaps and could be used as nice deadline pieces to sell for futures

No, no, no, no, no, no, maybe,no.

 

[SA16]

That guy would probably be available via trade. They always are.

Stock the system so you have the asssts to pull it off.

Except then you are trading away a ton of pieces instead of just signing someone for nothing. Look at what people want to get for Kreider here. Or what McDonagh was traded for. Or what Duchene was traded for. That is what we would be giving away - and more - for a player of Panarin or Stone's caliber with 2 years left on a deal. More if they are signed longer than that. The amount you'd be giving up would easily be more than however far we fall in the draft from adding one player in FA.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Except then you are trading away a ton of pieces instead of just signing someone for nothing. Look at what people want to get for Kreider here. Or what McDonagh was traded for. That is what we would be giving away - and more - for a player of Panarin or Stone's caliber with 2 years left on a deal. More if they are signed longer than that.

Yeah but you can’t play all of those guys.

At the least it gives you more options, Incase you think that guy won’t be available in ufa.

 

[Irishguy42]

Of the 75 times you finish bottom three, you will get a top 3 pick 37.5 times.

Gonna need some citation on that lotto math, b/c that's high.

 

[SA16]

Yeah but you can’t play all of those guys.

At the least it gives you more options, Incase you think that guy won’t be available in ufa.

But we know they are available now. You can do both. Sign a Panarin or Stone now. Trade assets for another top player in a year or two when you have more and can get them.

 

[TheBPA]

If we can "somehow" land a top 2 pick, absolutely go after Stone or Panarin, and have to think about Karlsson.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Carpiniello brought up Brassard as an example as to why the Rangers don’t want to pay Hayes. The Rangers signed Brassard at 27. The Rangers traded him at 29. Brassard has been awful during the last 3 years of his contract. He wasn’t very good in his last season as Ranger either. The Rangers don’t want to left holding the bag with a signed Hayes in his early 30’s.

The Rangers feel fortunate they were able to trade Brassard when they did.

In the next paragraph, Carpiniello brings up the Rangers pursuing a few agents this summer. He believes the Rangers should speed up the rebuilding process. He has been lead to believe the Rangers will look to speed up the rebuilding process. We heard the same thing last summer.

If the Rangers are concerned about aging curves, why are they signing a free agent like Panarin who will be under contract until 34 at $11M? Hayes and Panarin are the same age. Contradicting statements. Panarin isn’t subject to aging curves?

He also brought up the Rangers possibly signing a player to an offer sheet. He does not mention the draft pick compensation involved with an offer sheet. Not to mention the backlash. The Rangers have good young players and want to add more young players. Do they want someone to offer sheet their guys? No. Don’t go there.

He also brought up the Rangers trading some of their young players and draft picks to move the rebuild along. We heard the same thing last year too. Gorton talked about being a popular guy at the draft having so many assets. They would trade for younger established players. Nothing happened.

The rebuild has barely started.

Everyone wants to speed up the rebuilding. If we want to speed up the rebuilding, trade everything and everyone and tank it. The Rangers will get the players they need to speed the rebuild. They aren’t getting them in group III free agency or picking in the middle of the first round. They keep dealing in the periphery instead of attacking the issue head on.

It’s not like the Rangers are some great team and the possibility of them having a top pick in this draft is a crazy concept. A few more losses and the other teams winning,the Rangers are right there. Give them a little push so they get there.

We can talk about how Dolan is "hands off" with the Rangers, but his kamikaze attitude, which is a hallmark of the Knicks, still casts a shadow. And don't forget that Sather, who already emptied the cupboard for one more shot of glory in his last few years as GM, isn't getting any younger/more patient.

It would be monumentally stupid to sign free agents to long-term deals just so this team can be competitive for a playoff spot for a few years. By the time this team is rebuilt and ready to compete, those contracts will be albatrosses.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I don’t think we’re offer sheeting anyone. I think we’re going all in on Panarin and EK. They’ll try and move Shattenkirk or staal or both out before July 1 to do it but I think that’s the direction. We”ll most likely have 3 first rounders this summer. That would make 8 in 3 years. With that gorton will want to add some elite veteran talent to go with Kreider Mika Skjei DeAngelo Hank and ugh Pionk

Yeah, I see very little of that happening.

 

[Avery16]

It would be pretty horrible if we somehow got stralman for just all the bad years of his career

 

[NYR Viper]

It would be pretty horrible if we somehow got stralman for just all the bad years of his career

I mean he is still an effective defenseman and he plays a premium position. As a 4/5 he would be a nice addition and I am sure there would be teams who would like to add a player like him at the deadline

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

But we know they are available now. You can do both. Sign a Panarin or Stone now. Trade assets for another top player in a year or two when you have more and can get them.

The issue with that is the timing.

If you have a bottom 3 roster outside of one of those guys, what does adding one of them really do for you?

If they win the lottery and trade up for another top 10 pick who will be NHL ready immediately or within a year at the very least, then perhaps this makes some sense. The last thing I want to do is add a guy who will be great here for 3-4 years while the team treads water, and then starts to decline when everyone else catches up. The goal here should be to build a team that can compete year in and year out, not one that can be really good for 2-3 years.

 

[LORDE]

Offer sheet? Who? Someone from the Leafs?

Ok so let’s say we get Marner which is ridiculous.

What’s the penalty for the offer sheet???? Like 3 1st rd picks plus?

We aren’t a contender w Marner. So we are giving up 3 straight lottery picks to TML?!?!

I’ll believe that crap when I see it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It would be pretty horrible if we somehow got stralman for just all the bad years of his career

He was awesome while he played here.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

If we can "somehow" land a top 2 pick, absolutely go after Stone or Panarin, and have to think about Karlsson.

Even if we get Hughes, we shouldn't stray from the course we're on. Build through the draft. Develop the talent. Build a new core. Then look to free agency to fill the gaps.

 

[haveandare]

An offer sheet would be the absolute opposite of what we should do. Move tons of first round picks for years while rebuilding? No thanks.

Just to remind everyone, before 2017 we didn't make a first round pick for 4 years. That's how we ended up with a mostly barren prospect pool.