Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXV - Time to say Goodbye

[Avery16]

 

[Ori]

CBJ with a 5th loss in a row, but not good news for Panarin.

 

[ncmike]

I’ve been curious about something do you guys think we should really try and go after Panarin? Is it what’s best for this team’s future? We just cleared so much cap and will clear even more.

If they get a top 3 pick in the draft, then absolutely you go after him. That’s your top line for the future and it makes zib and Kreider your second line. Use Hayes for a top pairing rd and the rebuild is so far ahead of schedule.

 

[bleedblue94]

What are people's thoughts on this trade:

Rosolvic, little and a 2nd

For

Hayes and vesey

Jets get the 2c upgrade, vesey can slot into the Jets lineup to fill for rosolvic and they also move littles contract out before he coming rfa contracts they need to work out. Nyr gets a roster NHL player w young upside and can flip little to someone while potentially retaining to further the overall return.

Hate it?

 

[NYR Viper]

What are people's thoughts on this trade:

Rosolvic, little and a 2nd

For

Hayes and vesey

Jets get the 2c upgrade, vesey can slot into the Jets lineup to fill for rosolvic and they also move littles contract out before he coming rfa contracts they need to work out. Nyr gets a roster NHL player w young upside and can flip little to someone while potentially retaining to further the overall return.

Hate it?

I’d say that’s not the type of deal they would be looking for. A for creativity and thinking outside the box but I’d probably pass.

 

[kvakklunch]

Can we trade shattenkirk for a of pucks. I am really dissapointed in that player. He lacks hockey iq. Sad that he is supposed to be offensively gifted.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

What are people's thoughts on this trade:

Rosolvic, little and a 2nd

For

Hayes and vesey

Jets get the 2c upgrade, vesey can slot into the Jets lineup to fill for rosolvic and they also move littles contract out before he coming rfa contracts they need to work out. Nyr gets a roster NHL player w young upside and can flip little to someone while potentially retaining to further the overall return.

Hate it?

I'd love to get Roslovic but I don't see us taking Little back or Winnipeg letting him go really. I think if they get Hayes they would love to have Little in the 3 spot.

 

[bobbop]

31 Stats: Columbus' conundrum, Jake Muzzin's impact and...

Zuccarello is such a better player than Simmonds. Pierre LeBrun loves to talk up Simmonds. LeBrun wrote Zuccarello was worth a 3rd round pick. Does he watch the games? Just wait until Simmonds hits the trade market, teams will be climbing all over themselves to pry him away from Philadelphia. OK Pierre.

Elliotte Friedman said the Flyers have found a soft market for Simmonds.

Zuccarello is averaging .75 points per game this season. Simmonds is at .45.

Hayes is at .85.

The Canadian media will tell you Simmonds is better than Zuccarello or Hayes. Come on.

Steep decline at 30 is the worrisome issue with Kreider and all players at that age. Kreider signed a 4 year contract at 25. The Rangers were looking for a longer term but Kreider wanted a shorter term. 4 years is where they settled to avoid arbitration. Smart play by his agent Matt Keator. Kreider signs his last big and biggest contract at 29 before he hits the steep decline. He gets his money and doesn't have to worry about being a group III at 30 or 31.

This is why teams scout players they are thinking about acquiring. The scouts aren’t at a game for the hot dogs. They are watching the players in their crosshairs closely. Simmonds has been a great warrior and a player I personally admire but he’s clearly on the back nine of his career and the scouts have noticed. Think they’ve been watching Hayes and Zuccarello closely? You bet they have

 

[bobbop]

Don’t look now but with the loss tonight the Rangers are two points out of fourth (from the bottom) and just an additional two points behind the Devils. Los Angeles and Ottawa appear to be pulling away for the top two lottery positions. I love three point games when teams like Philadelphia are playing Edmonton.

 

[duhmetreE]

Is Hughes really a P.Kane at center? I've rarely watched him play but I always see the comparison

 

[RangerBoy]

That is, the Blueshirts are mulling an approach in which they would swap premium rental properties Kevin Hayes and Mats Zuccarello for a combined bundle of picks and prospects before then re-signing the pending free agents when they hit the open market on July 1.

Now, listen. Nothing would be set in stone. No promises have been made. The idea is germinating as the opportunity presents itself. Indeed, general manager Jeff Gorton and his lieutenants must steer clear of any suggestion of tampering. And this type of approach would be fraught with risk, for there is always the possibility that no matter how often Zuccarello and Hayes pledge their loyalty to Broadway, they could, A) fall in love with their new environs once traded and decide to re-up with their new teams; or, B) be overwhelmed with offers the Rangers might not be able to (or care to) match when they become free agents.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/02/trade-bait-shines-but-rangers-still-jolted-by-nhl-best-lightning/

Is this another delusional Brooks fantasy like his the Rangers will sign Kovalchuk as a free agent if the Devils don't trade him to the Rangers? Remember that one?

The Rangers need to move on from many of these players. They are bringing back Hayes as a free agent? To do what? The Rangers spent two first round picks in 2017 on centers & they acquired another center in the TB trade. Andersson spends the rest of his career in the AHL and Brooks can write how it was a wasted pick. Chytil becomes a permanent winger. Howden is pigeonholed as a safe 3rd line center. The Rangers shouldn't even bother drafting a center in the draft because he will never play with Zibanejad and Hayes on the team.

The team giving Hayes a 5-6-7 year contract worth more than $6M per is going to regret it. He will get a NTC/NMC. The expansion draft is coming up.

Zuccarello will be 32 before the start of training camp in September.

Thus, ideally, the path to contention would accelerate within the rebuild by “retaining” core pieces Hayes and Zuccarello but reintroducing them to an organization bolstered by their departures.

Path to mediocrity for another ten years.

This is what Brooks wants them to do. The Rangers young players will never play because there won't be any opportunities for them to play with so many veterans players signed to long term contracts. Play major minutes. The same faces leading them.

That's not rebuilding.

 

[17futurecap]

Didn’t Brooks write they were going to do the same exact thing with Nash and Grabner? Feels like he just did a search and replace on an old article.

 

[Edge]

Don’t look now but with the loss tonight the Rangers are two points out of fourth (from the bottom) and just an additional two points behind the Devils. Los Angeles and Ottawa appear to be pulling away for the top two lottery positions. I love three point games when teams like Philadelphia are playing Edmonton.

It's weird to think think that the team currently picking 13 is only four points behind the team picking third.

 

[Edge]

https://nypost.com/2019/02/02/trade-bait-shines-but-rangers-still-jolted-by-nhl-best-lightning/

Is this another delusional Brooks fantasy like his the Rangers will sign Kovalchuk as a free agent if the Devils don't trade him to the Rangers? Remember that one?

The Rangers need to move on from many of these players. They are bringing back Hayes as a free agent? To do what? The Rangers spent two first round picks in 2017 on centers & they acquired another center in the TB trade. Andersson spends the rest of his career in the AHL and Brooks can write how it was a wasted pick. Chytil becomes a permanent winger. Howden is pigeonholed as a safe 3rd line center. The Rangers shouldn't even bother drafting a center in the draft because he will never play with Zibanejad and Hayes on the team.

The team giving Hayes a 5-6-7 year contract worth more than $6M per is going to regret it. He will get a NTC/NMC. The expansion draft is coming up.

Zuccarello will be 32 before the start of training camp in September.



Path to mediocrity for another ten years.

This is what Brooks wants them to do. The Rangers young players will never play because there won't be any opportunities for them to play with so many veterans players signed to long term contracts. Play major minutes. The same faces leading them.

That's not rebuilding.

I’m not terribly opposed to the “concept,” but the devil is in the details.

If Zucc wanted to come back on a two year deal, I’m open to it — I’m not sure I see a plethora of wingers suddenly emerging that he would block.

Hayes would be more difficult because of the terms he is likely to command.

And so ultimately, I don’t really see a path forward to make Uncle Larry’s proposal work outside of a fantasy realm in which the deal heavily favors the team.

 

[Lone Ranger]

There's an argument for bringing Hayes back; he's young enough, if Rangers' management now believe that neither Howden or Lias have top six potential, and that Chytil's future is on the wing. That would appear to be a very premature and reactionary decision, but not necessarily entirely unrealistic.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I can’t believe people are still fantasizing about extending Hayes and especially Zucc. Turn the page. It’s done. Time to part ways.

 

[Calad]

Would be more than happy to bring Zucc back on a short deal, after they trade him at the deadline of course. Great vet presence, incredibly hard worker, and a very cerebral player at that. He's the kind of player you want youngsters learning from IMO

 

[DutchShamrock]

I don't care if it's for $3m, Hayes + Zibanejed down the middle is not a winning combination. If you want mediocre results, wildcards and 9th place, sure bring Hayes and Zuccarello back.

The fountain of youth isn't in Central Park. We aren't going to see all of Kreider, Hayes and Zuccarello defy aging and improve when others decline. You can't use the same core and expect new results. Move on.

This is Brooks trying to start a movement.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I'd take zuc back if the offers suck or if he would resign after being traded on a 2 year deal. I dont see any way we should resign Hayes. Hes looking at 7 mill over 7 years with NMC. No thanks.

 

[eco's bones]

https://nypost.com/2019/02/02/trade-bait-shines-but-rangers-still-jolted-by-nhl-best-lightning/

Is this another delusional Brooks fantasy like his the Rangers will sign Kovalchuk as a free agent if the Devils don't trade him to the Rangers? Remember that one?

The Rangers need to move on from many of these players. They are bringing back Hayes as a free agent? To do what? The Rangers spent two first round picks in 2017 on centers & they acquired another center in the TB trade. Andersson spends the rest of his career in the AHL and Brooks can write how it was a wasted pick. Chytil becomes a permanent winger. Howden is pigeonholed as a safe 3rd line center. The Rangers shouldn't even bother drafting a center in the draft because he will never play with Zibanejad and Hayes on the team.

The team giving Hayes a 5-6-7 year contract worth more than $6M per is going to regret it. He will get a NTC/NMC. The expansion draft is coming up.

Zuccarello will be 32 before the start of training camp in September.



Path to mediocrity for another ten years.

This is what Brooks wants them to do. The Rangers young players will never play because there won't be any opportunities for them to play with so many veterans players signed to long term contracts. Play major minutes. The same faces leading them.

That's not rebuilding.

The issue with signing Hayes is that if we were to get him to sign with us it would probably be at least 6 years and at least at $6.5 and with an NMC in the first few years of his contract. So that would be a very tricky contract to do. He's still relatively young though and he's been improving both offensively and defensively.

Zucc IMO could be gotten for much less term at less $'s.

But anyway on the subject of drafting centers. All of Howden, Chytil and Andersson are not close to ready for a top 6 center slot. Truthfully I don't see Andersson making it as a center anyway. He is struggling offensively in Hartford right now. I think he's better suited on the wing or at least if he can't put up another gear in his skating. Howden's disappeared off the scoresheet for about two months and it isn't because he hasn't got ice time. Chytil's got the best shot--he's got the skating and the best offensive game of the three by far right now but he's shit on face-offs.

And players get drafted as centers all the time and end up as wings. Right now I look at those three and see Chytil as a potential 1 or 2C--Andersson as a wing and Howden as a 3C or a wing.

Path to mediocrity for 10 years? I think that's overstating things. Brooks is talking about two players--getting assets for them--re-signing them and one of them for a short term. Big deal. Truthfully when good things happen for the Rangers this year they've almost always happened because of Henrik, Zibanejad, Kreider or Hayes. It's true and the defense really needs some work.

Our way off the mediocrity path is to fix the defense. Move Shattenkirk and get someone with size on the right side who can play in all situations.

 

[GAGLine]

What are people's thoughts on this trade:

Rosolvic, little and a 2nd

For

Hayes and vesey

Jets get the 2c upgrade, vesey can slot into the Jets lineup to fill for rosolvic and they also move littles contract out before he coming rfa contracts they need to work out. Nyr gets a roster NHL player w young upside and can flip little to someone while potentially retaining to further the overall return.

Hate it?

Yes, I hate it. Little has 5 years left on his contract @ almost 5.3 mil and he's 31 years old. That contract will become a problem for them. No reason to make it our problem.

I would much, much rather just pay Hayes 6 x 6 than to trade him for Little, no matter what else we are getting in return.

 

[Cassano]

Bryan Little is already 31 years old? God I'm getting old.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Zucc with 7 game point streak and I believe Hayes has had 19pts in last 14 games.

If the Rangers pulled off a miracle and got that #1 pick youd have Hughes and Zbad 1-2 down the middle then some combo of Anderson and Howden for the 3rd line for a long time.

 

[Synergy27]

MZA can be an effective the line player in his twilight if necessary. If the price is right, I absolutely try to lure him back and even give him the C in order to not burden other more important players (Z, Kreider) with it.

 

[haohmaru]

Zucc with 7 game point streak and I believe Hayes has had 19pts in last 14 games.

If the Rangers pulled off a miracle and got that #1 pick youd have Hughes and Zbad 1-2 down the middle then some combo of Anderson and Howden for the 3rd line for a long time.

I thought RB said we can't draft anymore centers?