SA16
Sixstring
The players to offer sheet are Kapanen and Johnsson. There's no way the Leafs can sign both of them with Marner.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXIX
- Thread starter Gardner McKay
- Start date
- Status
The players to offer sheet are Kapanen and Johnsson. There's no way the Leafs can sign both of them with Marner.
BringBackLibertys
Registered User
Maybe I am confused but my understanding is the money counts against the cap unless you need it for another player, and then it really doesn't count (i.e. you can go over by the amount of the LTIR contract).....the rules can confuse me on this for sure though.
- Sep 17, 2007
- 24,967
- 22,936
NYR Viper
Registered User
I wonder if Boston would be more interested Zuccarello than Hayes. Kreijci is their #2c. That gives them 2 full top lines
Oscar Lindberg
Registered User
So they’re saving cap space for something unconventional, which probably means eating salary from a desperate team.
They’ll have 9 million in space, plus the added amount of whatever is going out via Hayes, Zucc, and McQuaid
What the hell do they need so much space for?
That seems to be why they aren’t holding these guys out yet (or at least we know). They’d be forced to call up guys from Hartford which eats into their deadline space...
They’ll have 9 million in space, plus the added amount of whatever is going out via Hayes, Zucc, and McQuaid
What the hell do they need so much space for?
That seems to be why they aren’t holding these guys out yet (or at least we know). They’d be forced to call up guys from Hartford which eats into their deadline space...
MarkMessyay11
Registered User
Thirty One
Safe is safe.
- Dec 28, 2003
- 28,981
- 24,357
MarkMessyay11
Registered User
I think Zucc deal may come down to deadline day for that reason. Wait out the situations on Stone and Panarin and see how desperate the teams are that miss on them. Hayes will probably go sooner, if I had to guess.
- Sep 17, 2007
- 24,967
- 22,936
It depends on how much cap space the team has compared to the cap hit of the player. There's a lot of math involved regarding daily costs, but in simplest terms, if the cap hit is 80 mil, we are 75 mil and we place a player with a 5 mil cap hit on LTIR, it does nothing except open a roster spot, which is what IR does anyway. If the cap it 80 mil, we are at 78 mil, and we place that 5 mil player on LTIR, we can go up to 83 mil. However, LTIR money can't be banked. It's use it or lose it. So that 3 mil excess at the beginning of the season is still only 3 mil at the trade deadline.
I'll see if I can find the other post I did.
Edit: Here it is:
Speculation: - Roster Building Thread: Part XXVI - Point Of No Return
I could envision a scenario where hes the top rental winger on the market, crazy enough.
If Stone re-signs in Ottawa and Nyquist does the same in Detroit that may very well be the case (I don't buy for a second that CBJ is trading Panarin.)
- Nov 7, 2017
- 5,570
- 2,541
A top prospect and a 2nd sounds much better.
Even if they are in contract talks Zucc may not accept another discount or short term.
I guess he would take advice from his agent.
Everything is up in the air, the only thing we know for sure is that it will eventually land somewhere.
SA16
Sixstring
The reason we won't get more for Zucc is because Webster, who is negative value, is included in the deal.
Anything more than $4,059,322 AAV requires a 1st round pick. No way should the Rangers give that up for either of those guys with how bad they project to be next year.
- Nov 2, 2011
- 7,965
- 8,333
Is it fair to say that taking on a bad contract is not considered unconventional? Considering it has been done by several times each year and the Rangers did it last year?
SA16
Sixstring
Yea you offer sheet one of them for the maximum cost that is a 2nd round pick. There is no way for them to possibly have the cap space to match without getting rid of Marleau (pretty impossible given NMC) or Zaitsev (signed forever at 4.5M and basically can't be bought out) or Nylander of course. I expect they'd' figure out a way to make it work for Kapanen and let Johnsson go. This is a random thing I ran last night - without both of them - and I went rather conseratively on MArner at 10M and just filled in with minor leaguers. It's already over the cap and they also can't go much over in the offseason due to Horton. How are they fitting in 4M for Kapanen and say 3M for Johnsson?
Svenhart2008
Registered User
Kreider for Lilly straight up doesn't do it for you?
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
I don't think so. If anything, I think its an underwhelming return. Donato is being overrate a bit IMO. Coyle is a solid player.
- Nov 7, 2017
- 5,570
- 2,541
You know that 2nd is for me. But I don't want to end up on Calgary's board...what a boring place.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
You've been around long enough. Why would you do that to yourself lol.
Please please as hard as it is to root for a Boston team I hope they take them out in the first round...again
Removed the pic to save folks some scrolling.
You're right they're in a bad spot, but I think the plan has always been to trade Nylander in the off season when teams have more cap flexibility, and the Leafs would get one "loaded up" run before they have to make a deep cut. If they can finally work out a deal with Nylander and Pesce after Nylander's bonus is paid out, it probably makes the cap work.
- Status
