Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXIX
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But you don't know what those future assets become. What if a few of them bust? What if you pick a Puljarvi instead of Malkin when your turn comes? But you do know what guys like Stone, EK and Panarin are, though. I'm not saying your approach is wrong, but there's certainly more than one way to go about a rebuild. Maybe the Rangers approach is a mix. Move UFAs, collect some assets and make a smart free agent signing or two. I'd also argue that this is the 2nd year of the rebuild - I consider the Stepan trade day one.
The idea that we have to completely stink and pick in the top 5 the next four years is just as uncertain as going out and signing as many big name FAs that you can fit under the cap.
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Vinny DeAngelo
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Looking at things from a value perspective -- I got to say that dealing Chris Kreider at 50% retention should make more sense than keeping him with an upcoming contract situation that isn't going to be perfect.
There are so many teams out there with a tight cap situation that are legit contenders. From Calgary to Winnipeg to Tampa to Pittsburgh to Washington to Toronto and so forth. Either tight against the cap this season or next. For these teams it would of course be huge to add Kreider at 2.3m per for 1.5 years. The retention length is perfect for us, just next year when we are rebuilding anyway.
Would Washington give up Burakovsky, Vrana and their 1st for Kreider at 50%?
Fiala and Tolvanen from Nashville for Kreider at 50%?
There are so many teams out there with a tight cap situation that are legit contenders. From Calgary to Winnipeg to Tampa to Pittsburgh to Washington to Toronto and so forth. Either tight against the cap this season or next. For these teams it would of course be huge to add Kreider at 2.3m per for 1.5 years. The retention length is perfect for us, just next year when we are rebuilding anyway.
Would Washington give up Burakovsky, Vrana and their 1st for Kreider at 50%?
Fiala and Tolvanen from Nashville for Kreider at 50%?
Larrybiv
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Vinny DeAngelo posted this in gdt, quoting and placing here.
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I am a FIRM believer that every GM knows what they "should at least get for player X." If they get an offer that is what was expected.......they should "take it" and NOT gamble. Depending on the market and WHAT player is available with your team....... if there is significant "upside" in waiting and not happy what was proposed.....well then, duh. You wait.
I am not saying anything earth shattering here, all I am saying is when you have 3 or 4 players possibly moving, making a deal or 2 "well before" the deadline, will lighten the stress and the possibility of making a WRONG DECISION based on the time that is dwindling, and drawing closer and closer to the deadline. It is called "pressure". Gorton hasn't been doing this nearly as long as Sather has (and I am still sure he is in Gorton's ear) but that is just ANOTHER issue for Gorton to deal with. He is his "mentor", and with that comes the pressure of making the right moves. (And if Sather IS THERE, that doesn't necessarily make it a given that they are the right moves, or may add to the confusion. Sometimes less is better.
There are many dominoes that will fall a certain way. And if player "X" is taken off the board then you have to put yourself in that GM's shoes, and thinking that he "has to" or "more likely to do" something that he may have NOT DONE "if" he wasn't pressured to do such. Lots of thinking in this, and again all I am saying is that maybe McQuaid and lesser pieces should be a done deal........well before calculating the Zuccha and Hayes deals.
We are NOT really trying to make the PO's. We can stand PAT with Zuccha and Hayes and sign them moving forward, if need be. We are in a position of strength here.......and Gorton must understand this......do NOT settle, get what you can, but don't wait until the last second. The TB trade last year was like one of the very last, right? Just saying.
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Thats what happens when you wait until the last minute to trade...
You don't think LA got the best deal for Muzzin? Should they have waiting another month? Its such a garbage idea that the best deals are at the deadline
You don't think LA got the best deal for Muzzin? Should they have waiting another month? Its such a garbage idea that the best deals are at the deadline
I am a FIRM believer that every GM knows what they "should at least get for player X." If they get an offer that is what was expected.......they should "take it" and NOT gamble. Depending on the market and WHAT player is available with your team....... if there is significant "upside" in waiting and not happy what was proposed.....well then, duh. You wait.
I am not saying anything earth shattering here, all I am saying is when you have 3 or 4 players possibly moving, making a deal or 2 "well before" the deadline, will lighten the stress and the possibility of making a WRONG DECISION based on the time that is dwindling, and drawing closer and closer to the deadline. It is called "pressure". Gorton hasn't been doing this nearly as long as Sather has (and I am still sure he is in Gorton's ear) but that is just ANOTHER issue for Gorton to deal with. He is his "mentor", and with that comes the pressure of making the right moves. (And if Sather IS THERE, that doesn't necessarily make it a given that they are the right moves, or may add to the confusion. Sometimes less is better.
There are many dominoes that will fall a certain way. And if player "X" is taken off the board then you have to put yourself in that GM's shoes, and thinking that he "has to" or "more likely to do" something that he may have NOT DONE "if" he wasn't pressured to do such. Lots of thinking in this, and again all I am saying is that maybe McQuaid and lesser pieces should be a done deal........well before calculating the Zuccha and Hayes deals.
We are NOT really trying to make the PO's. We can stand PAT with Zuccha and Hayes and sign them moving forward, if need be. We are in a position of strength here.......and Gorton must understand this......do NOT settle, get what you can, but don't wait until the last second. The TB trade last year was like one of the very last, right? Just saying.
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There's no help coming for OTT. They traded away a Top-5 pick for a season and a half of a malcontent who's not going to re-sign with them.
Karlsson ran from that organization as soon as he was able to find a justification that wouldn't paint him as the bad guy.
They're going to have to overpay Stone to stay in that dumpster fire of a situation, which their cheapskate owner doesn't want to do.
Dorion is completely hamstrung by an owner who won't invest in the team. I would bet other GMs are well aware of the situation and hardballing him. He got what amounts to scraps for a generational D.
Karlsson ran from that organization as soon as he was able to find a justification that wouldn't paint him as the bad guy.
They're going to have to overpay Stone to stay in that dumpster fire of a situation, which their cheapskate owner doesn't want to do.
Dorion is completely hamstrung by an owner who won't invest in the team. I would bet other GMs are well aware of the situation and hardballing him. He got what amounts to scraps for a generational D.
You're 100% right - you don't know what those future assets will become. Many of our picks won't develop into what we hope for. That's why you need as many kicks at the can as possible.
Those UFA's you want to sign will come at a premium, with a NMC/NTC clause. In 2 or 3 years, one of those prospects might develop into a better player than the guys you just signed to a retirement contact to. You're now locked into a marriage.
Look at the stupid decision Toronto made with not only Marleau, but Tavares too.
Avoid the fast food temptation of hiring mercenaries this summer. Be patient. Focus on trying to draft and develop the next Stone's and Panarin's. The more high end picks we have, the higher the odds we get guys of that ilk. That's why it's imperative we move Hayes and Zucc. Possibly Kreider, although, I'd want a lot more for him than most people.
I just sent this email to [email protected], hope it works:
Dear Mr. Dorian,
You are hereby informed that the NHL trading deadline has been moved to 3pm Wednesday, February 20 2019.
Yours sincerely,
Gary M. Bettman
It surprise me that Kreider missed that open net chance with no goalie last evening. And I`ve looked at his shooting accuracy; it`s better compare to last season with only 11.1% - he has 14.9% out of total of 161 shots, but only 1 game winning goal.
Yikes I haven't received a Delivery failure message and it was from my work email...
Paulie Walnutz
HFNYR JUST AS SOFT AS NYR
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Certainly starting to sound like a team called the Caps about Jaskin once it was announced he was going on waivers. Caps trying to clear room for a deadline add.
Thirty One
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You're assuming that Pierre didn't spell his name wrong when setting up his email. You're making some dangerous assumptions.
I wouldn't be opposed to signing someone like Karlson or Panarin to be honest (especially if they trade Hayes and Zuc and whoever else). Nor am I certain Toronto is having any sort of buyers remorse with Tavarese and Marleau - they very well may go on to win the Cup. I think you need balance, move the players that should be moved, identify what players you want to resign and make part of the rebuild and strike if the right player becomes available via FA.
The Rangers are a .500 team and this was probably their rock bottom season. They have kids here now and coming up. I expect Chityl, Howden, Deangelo and even Anderson to be better and contribute more. Who knows what Kravtsov and Rykov will contribute. They should have at least two first rounders this draft, maybe even three. I think the team will challenge for the playoffs next year. I know this isn't the route a lot of people here want the team taking but this is just the trajectory I see them on.
I am not expecting to be competing for a cup next year. But you are signing Panarin, an elite talent, for more than just next year. In 2 years, ‘20-‘21 season, Chytil will be going into his 3rd full season. Kravtsov possibly his 2nd. Lias possibly his 2nd. Howden, maybe 3rd. By then you could have Lindgren and Hajek on the D line. Possibly Lundkvist. Rykov. Tarmo. You may also have your 1st rounder from this year top 10 making his way in his 1st season then. They could all help in making this team competitive by then. Year 3 of the rebuild. That is when the Panarin signing starts to have an impact. Kreider and Zib still here.
This does not have to be a 5 year rebuild. The team has (6) 1st round picks from the last 3 drafts. All have talent. They can be a very good team by Year 3 of the rebuild with the right combination of those kids and veteran proven NHLers. It is ok for our team to take the next step and contend for the playoffs because that will mean we drafted the right kids..
This is year 2 - Stepan trade marked the start of the rebuild, letter to the fans aside. Next year will be year 3, with the talent they have and the assets they've acquired it's not absurd to think they'll have a shot making the playoffs next season. Everyone makes the playoffs in this league.
Thirty One
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The Stepan trade absolutely did not start the rebuild. Teams that aren't rebuilding can trade established players.
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Vinny DeAngelo
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Vinny DeAngelo
Jimmy Easy to defend
So next season we have Hank Geo Igor and Allen trying to play in the NHL? No thanks
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