Toggle sidebar

Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXIV

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
  • We're expecting server maintenance on March 3rd starting at midnight, there may be downtime during the work.
Status
Not open for further replies.
joakym said:
Seems like an acceptable thing to say? I never said Zadorov would be the main piece in such a deal and neither would Fast. My point is I'd rather spend currency on a Hayes-caliber player than a Vesey-caliber player. Avs already have their version of Vesey in Kerfoot so it wouldn't make sense.
Click to expand...
Boy I would take Kerfoot over Vesey, and I like Vesey.
 
Ola said:
I thought this was a bit odd...
Click to expand...
1) Colleges have a lot less games and typically longer practices. NHL has a lot more games and less practice time.
2) AV was notorious for practicing less and more off days.

I have no problem with them practicing more.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Ola
SA16 said:
Smith has plenty of value for the team when playing and has generally performed well. He just has a bad reputation because he takes a lot of dumb penalties, the coach has scratched him, he has a reasonably large contract, and because he apparently wasn’t in great shape last year. His results have been good throughout his Ranger career.
Click to expand...
Are we talking about the same Smith? It's not the penalties. It's poor decisions with and without the puck.

And his contract is a big issue as well. Can't just buy him out.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mike14
SA16 said:
Smith has plenty of value for the team when playing and has generally performed well. He just has a bad reputation because he takes a lot of dumb penalties, the coach has scratched him, he has a reasonably large contract, and because he apparently wasn’t in great shape last year. His results have been good throughout his Ranger career.
Click to expand...

I was a Smith supporter when he came and turned into a non-believer over time.

Also, in addition to being out of shape, he had staff questioning his professionalism. Plus the Letteri fight in Hartford resulting in a broken jaw i believe. Someone here posted dependency issues, however I believe that was unconfirmed. There's a lot going on there.

He could be considered a reclamation project that comes with intangibles that some organizations still believe have worth.
 
If your strip out all the names and narratives the results with Smith on the ice have been good.
Among dmen that have been on the team the last two years (Smith/DeAngelo/Shattnekirk/Skjei/Staal/Pionk) he is:

CF60 - 2nd
CA60 - 2nd
CF% - 1st

GF60 - 2nd
GA60 - 3rd
GF% - 2nd

D-Zone Start % - 3rd
QoC - 2nd easiest (but there's like no spread at all between the toughest and easiest for the Rangers. 50.27 QoCCF% for Staal down to 49.8 for Shattenkirk)
QoT - 2nd worst

Penalties taken - most (by a lot)
Penalties drawn - also most
Giveaways - most

He also has by FAR the lowest CA60 of any Rangers dmen on the PK however they have allowed a ton of goals although I am reasonably certain an 80.6 4v5 SV% with him on the ice with and Lundqvist in net is not something that will continue.

Offensively he hasn't provided much but outside of Staal the other 5 defenders have essentially identical production ranging from 0.69 to 0.77 pts/60 at 5v5.

So when on the ice he is helping the team get a lot of shots, not giving up many, and this has also reflected through with goals as they score more with him and give up less despite playing with weaker players and starting mostly on defense. He takes too many penalties which we know but at the least he has drawn a lot but he's certainly still been a large negative there. He's had a lot of giveaways but is this really a big deal considering these have not resulted in the team allowing many more shots, goals, or a high shooting percentage with him out there?

So precisely what is the problem here? He's got the job done at a far better level that most Rangers defenseman even if it may not look pretty when he's on the ice.
 
  • Like
Reactions: lilphildub, Blue Blooded, Machinehead and 4 others
SA16 said:
If your strip out all the names and narratives the results with Smith on the ice have been good.
Among dmen that have been on the team the last two years (Smith/DeAngelo/Shattnekirk/Skjei/Staal/Pionk) he is:

CF60 - 2nd
CA60 - 2nd
CF% - 1st

GF60 - 2nd
GA60 - 3rd
GF% - 2nd

D-Zone Start % - 3rd
QoC - 2nd easiest (but there's like no spread at all between the toughest and easiest for the Rangers. 50.27 QoCCF% for Staal down to 49.8 for Shattenkirk)
QoT - 2nd worst

Penalties taken - most (by a lot)
Penalties drawn - also most
Giveaways - most

He also has by FAR the lowest CA60 of any Rangers dmen on the PK however they have allowed a ton of goals although I am reasonably certain an 80.6 4v5 SV% with him on the ice with and Lundqvist in net is not something that will continue.

Offensively he hasn't provided much but outside of Staal the other 5 defenders have essentially identical production ranging from 0.69 to 0.77 pts/60 at 5v5.

So when on the ice he is helping the team get a lot of shots, not giving up many, and this has also reflected through with goals as they score more with him and give up less despite playing with weaker players and starting mostly on defense. He takes too many penalties which we know but at the least he has drawn a lot but he's certainly still been a large negative there. He's had a lot of giveaways but is this really a big deal considering these have not resulted in the team allowing many more shots, goals, or a high shooting percentage with him out there?

So precisely what is the problem here? He's got the job done at a far better level that most Rangers defenseman even if it may not look pretty when he's on the ice.
Click to expand...
Thanks for pulling the numbers. I've felt for most of the year like Hayes was getting shit on without justification. I think he's decent. If he was making $1m-$2M less he could be a reasonably attractive piece.
 
EdJovanovski said:
Avs fans are telling me Hayes for Zadorov is the most lopsided trade proposal they’ve ever seen lmao
Click to expand...
Unless I am missing something, you proposed Hayes for Zadorov and a 1st, and that is what they were reacting to.

Second, proposing something on one board and then running to another board and saying "OMG you cannot believe what fans of X think of this proposal" is actually considered trolling. I don't think you were doing it intentionally but I just figured it would be a good time to remind everyone that it isn't allowed. :)
 
  • Like
Reactions: Fireonk
Gardner McKay said:
Unless I am missing something, you proposed Hayes for Zadorov and a 1st, and that is what they were reacting to.

Second, proposing something on one board and then running to another board and saying "OMG you cannot believe what fans of X think of this proposal" is actually considered trolling. I don't think you were doing it intentionally but I just figured it would be a good time to remind everyone that it isn't allowed. :)
Click to expand...
They said even if it were a 1 for 1 it was and that 20+ teams would beat that offer. I don’t see how that’s trolling but I won’t do it again then
 
EdJovanovski said:
They said even if it were a 1 for 1 it was and that 20+ teams would beat that offer. I don’t see how that’s trolling but I won’t do it again then
Click to expand...
Zads types are ones fans like a lot more then management.

we woulda said the same thing about Kloucek if his knee didn't explode
 
Is Zadorov even that good? Like, obviously he's not enough to fetch Hayes 1-for-1, but is he even worth targeting?
 
SA16 said:
Smith has plenty of value for the team when playing and has generally performed well. He just has a bad reputation because he takes a lot of dumb penalties, the coach has scratched him, he has a reasonably large contract, and because he apparently wasn’t in great shape last year. His results have been good throughout his Ranger career.
Click to expand...
I read this post this morning and thought maybe it was like an April fools day joke, or that something in my brain had broke overnight.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom