Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXII

[Avery16]

 

[Avery16]

Buch, Skjei, GG, 2nd round pick ‘21 for Nylander and Kapanen?

works for me.

 

[nyr2k2]

IDK if Frederic has a more productive career than Gettinger. Definitely not a top target of mine.

 

[Trxjw]

Didn't even realize you were talking this season too. Who'd even be playing the vacated 2RD position? Rookies Fox and Lingren are not likely to be separated (or permanently promoted).

Just to make sure, I'm not challenging that it's a resolution move to potential / likely crowdedness issue at RW in near future and a lack of 1LW during that same timeframe.

Actually the idea of ADA and Fox as a pairing seems to be getting a bit of traction, but I don't think we'll see that happen a whole lot this year aside from situations where Quinn is shortening his bench or looking for a real big offensive push.

Fox is going to push for a top-4 spot in the near future. He's far exceeded my expectations for him in his first season. So pairing him and Tony together isn't out of the realm of possibility going forward.

 

[rangers1314]

Bill Nylander?

hey dad I can't see too good is that bill nylander over there?

 

[kovazub94]

Actually the idea of ADA and Fox as a pairing seems to be getting a bit of traction, but I don't think we'll see that happen a whole lot this year aside from situations where Quinn is shortening his bench or looking for a real big offensive push.

Fox is going to push for a top-4 spot in the near future. He's far exceeded my expectations for him in his first season. So pairing him and Tony together isn't out of the realm of possibility going forward.

In this case it still leaves the Rangers with Skjei on a top pair. If anything I'd be interested to see ADA with Trouba, push Skjei (if he's not traded) down a slot and make him to be a more defensive guy if we are talking about promoting Fox.

 

[Lion Hound]

Morgan Rielly out for 2+ months.

That hurts em bad!

 

[RangersFan1994]

I wanted him in the Nash trade. I would love if NYR traded for him somehow

 

[RGY]

works for me.

But is it a fair deal?

@nyr2k2 why do you think that in regards to Frederic? If he wasn’t much more than Gettinger than it would be an awful return for Kreider

 

[Lion Hound]

That one hurt!

Zebras let it go too long though.

 

[nyr2k2]

But is it a fair deal?

@nyr2k2 why do you think that in regards to Frederic? If he wasn’t much more than Gettinger than it would be an awful return for Kreider

From the day he was drafted he had 3C written all over him. He's big and works hard and is nasty, but he doesn't have any kind of top end offensive skills. I remember when he was drafted someone from the B's organization said he wasn't going to be a top six guy and many laughs were had. He's fine, decent player, would actually be a nice add to the organization--but again, he's a bottom six guy. Gettinger isn't the spark plug Frederic is but I think their actual output could look quite similar. It does now.

 

[QJL]

I agree with that.
What I am concerned about is if Colorado’s front office is worried about Strome’s attitude if he goes back to playing 3C after successfully playing as a 1C.

Zibanejad is 1C... he plays two more minutes a game then Strome. I can’t remember a report of a player having a bad attitude about getting to join a playoff run.

 

[NYR Viper]

From the day he was drafted he had 3C written all over him. He's big and works hard and is nasty, but he doesn't have any kind of top end offensive skills. I remember when he was drafted someone from the B's organization said he wasn't going to be a top six guy and many laughs were had. He's fine, decent player, would actually be a nice add to the organization--but again, he's a bottom six guy. Gettinger isn't the spark plug Frederic is but I think their actual output could look quite similar. It does now.

And I think most around here would be interested in Frederic as a 3rd liner, whether it’s at center or wing. He plays with a similar North-South no nonsense attitude as Lemieux. By no means is he a Grade A prospect but as a piece in return for Kreider he would be a unique piece to the organization in the way he plays.

 

[nyr2k2]

And I think most around here would be interested in Frederic as a 3rd liner, whether it’s at center or wing. He plays with a similar North-South no nonsense attitude as Lemieux. By no means is he a Grade A prospect but as a piece in return for Kreider he would be a unique piece to the organization in the way he plays.

For sure. As a piece of a deal, I would happily take him. But if he's the centerpiece? Or like half of the deal (i.e. a 1st plus Frederic)? I'd rather try to find a boom-bust guy than someone like Frederic who is relatively safe (although I still have my doubts) but with a lower ceiling.

 

[NYR Viper]

For sure. As a piece of a deal, I would happily take him. But if he's the centerpiece? Or like half of the deal (i.e. a 1st plus Frederic)? I'd rather try to find a boom-bust guy than someone like Frederic who is relatively safe (although I still have my doubts) but with a lower ceiling.

Whats your thoughts on the pandered Frederic + Heinen + 1st for Kreider at half cap hit?

 

[Avery16]

https://www.tsn.ca/matthew-tkachuk-...-was-probably-the-right-thing-to-do-1.1426822

If I were Keith, I'd be pretty embarrassed right now. If you aren't willing to fight someone, you sure as hell had better not target their head with an illegal hit. That is a Marchand level of gutlessness. I'd expect better from a Tkachuk.

 

[NYR Viper]

https://www.tsn.ca/matthew-tkachuk-...-was-probably-the-right-thing-to-do-1.1426822

If I were Keith, I'd be pretty embarrassed right now. If you aren't willing to fight someone, you sure as hell had better not target their head with an illegal hit. That is a Marchand level of gutlessness. I'd expect better from a Tkachuk.

That’s the league today though. Lots of guys have done this for years

 

[nyr2k2]

Whats your thoughts on the pandered Frederic + Heinen + 1st for Kreider at half cap hit?

Seems like quantity over quality to me, but that's maybe all we can get.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

I get it was Tkachuk’s brightest moments, but Part of me thinks that the oilers players don’t know that ZK can be a pretty dirty rat in his own regard.

 

[QJL]

What would we have to add to Skjei and Georgiev for either Bill Nylander or Kapanen?

We would have to add a top 5 prospect like Kravtsov for Nylander.

Toronto would have to add if it was Kapanen. Skjei is more valuable alone.

 

[Mr Clutch]

I would be thrilled if we were able to draft Tim Stutzle

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I would be thrilled if we were able to draft Tim Stutzle

That shit looks like 3rd overall atm ...

 

[Mr Clutch]

That **** looks like 3rd overall atm ...

Yeah his stock is rising and we probably wont get him unless we get some lottery luck again

 

[howztheglass]

So Buch/ Skjei / Georgiev and a 2nd for Nylander / Kapenen

Kreider for Heinen/ Frédéric and a 1st.

Talk about re-building the team.

Pararin-Strome-Nylander
Kappo-Zibs-Kapenen
Heinen-Chytil-Lemme
Howden-Frederic-Fast

McKegg

Troube-ADA
Fox-Lindgren
Libor-Staal/ Rykov

Smith

Hank
Shesterkin

Even works cap wise. 14 out 13 in.

 

[howztheglass]

So Buch/ Skjei / Georgiev and a 2nd for Nylander / Kapenen

Kreider for Heinen/ Frédéric and a 1st.

Talk about re-building the team.

Pararin-Strome-Nylander
Kappo-Zibs-Kapenen
Heinen-Chytil-Lemme
Howden-Frederic-Fast

McKegg

Troube-ADA
Fox-Lindgren
Libor-Staal/ Rykov

Smith

Hank
Shesterkin

Even works cap wise. 14 out 13 in.

Thinking in the off season

Fast leaves via FA
PDG minors
Haley the moon
McKegg leaves FA

That's 3.9

Not sure on the buyout savings on Staal or Smith. We still need to find some coin to re-sign ADA and Strome maybe the savings from a Staal buyout would work.