Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXII

[haohmaru]

Every time that I bother to post on the main boards I am reminded of the cesspool that it is

We have a main boards?

 

[Fireonk]

Pictures.

Looks like a bad pinch got him in trouble but I am not sure the other pictures prove any specific point you are trying to make. He obviously wasn't going to catch the 2 forwards breaking, so at that point his job would be to take away a drop pass to a 3rd man in and not fly into the frame with 3 other Rangers there. Hard to fully tell in a frame by frame breakdown like that, but to me it would have been bad hockey IQ if instead of looking to take an open man he was trying to bowling ball his way into a play that was as covered as it was going to get.

 

[RGY]

Remember this. Since it was a week ago.

This witch hunt type work pulling out clips from him pinching against the Devils, and then complaining he didnt get all the way back in the play is embarrassing. Its pathetic.

He played 26 minutes that night. Most he has played in last 5 games. And without checking, he couldve have been at the end of the shift there. Let’s have some context. But it shouldnt matter. He played 26 minutes that night and it was the 3rd period.

But hey if this is the hill you want to die on, die away. It’ll be you and the 5 other fans that are dying to trade him before his NMC moves in.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Ridiculous, cherry-picked series of frames.

Any failed pinch is going to look like that. And it makes sense that he's out of the frame until the last screen shot. You already had 3 Rangers back against 2 Devils. He was picking up the trailer, which is exactly what you'd expect him to do. There's an extra Devil laying crumpled on the ground behind him in the final frame.

Any D is going to have failed pinches over a long enough period. It wasn't a good play, but every Dman in the league does it with varying degrees of regularity.

Your hate for Trouba is absolutely bizarre. Is the guy a #1D? No, but he's a solid #2, which is right where his salary falls.

 

[nyr2k2]

He's fine but is he gonna beat out the guys in our pipeline? I'll answer it for you, no he isn't. By the time this team is ready to compete he will be the 7th guy or somewhere else.

The thing is Lindgren is here and establishing himself as a very reliable defenseman. The guys in our pipeline, THEY will have to beat HIM out. We're clearly not an organization that just hands spots to prospects over established players. I mean, yes, Miller, Jones, those guys are going to present a challenge. But we don't know when they'll be ready or even signed. And when they are, Staal will be gone, and Skjei could be as well. Lindgren is only 21 and should himself improve. I wouldn't put the cart before the horse in assuming other guys are just gonna beat him out, particularly given it could be multiple seasons until they're ready and he could be even better by then.

 

[Chytilmania]

Anyone think Lindgren can be like Kevin Klein? Klein was really solid on defense during those runs. Then had that one year where he had a bunch of goals. I miss healthy Klein.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Ridiculous, cherry-picked series of frames.

Any failed pinch is going to look like that. And it makes sense that he's out of the frame until the last screen shot. You already had 3 Rangers back against 2 Devils. He was picking up the trailer, which is exactly what you'd expect him to do. There's an extra Devil laying crumpled on the ground behind him in the final frame.

Any D is going to have failed pinches over a long enough period. It wasn't a good play, but every Dman in the league does it with varying degrees of regularity.

Your hate for Trouba is absolutely bizarre. Is the guy a #1D? No, but he's a solid #2, which is right where his salary falls.

Not that I disagree in spirit, because you've nailed it basically, but atm Trouba is certainly making #1D money (tied for 5th in the league with Carlson and Burns in AAV).

 

[Chytilmania]

If Lindgren is our 7th man that means we are doing a good job on D. If the others aren't beating him out then it's a prospect we can look into trading. It's nice having this depth.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Not that I disagree in spirit, because you've nailed it basically, but atm Trouba is certainly making #1D money (tied for 5th in the league with Carlson and Burns in AAV).

He's 14th in Cap Hit % when the contract was signed, and he's the youngest player in the Top 20 outside of Ekblad. There are going to be tons of contracts leapfrogging his in the next 2 years.

 

[Mr Clutch]

Don't you dare compare him to Bozo

Bro, did JT like steal your girl or something???

 

[rangers1314]

Can someone explain to me this whole JT Miller = Bozo thing? I must have missed all that..

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Looks like a bad pinch got him in trouble but I am not sure the other pictures prove any specific point you are trying to make. He obviously wasn't going to catch the 2 forwards breaking, so at that point his job would be to take away a drop pass to a 3rd man in and not fly into the frame with 3 other Rangers there. Hard to fully tell in a frame by frame breakdown like that, but to me it would have been bad hockey IQ if instead of looking to take an open man he was trying to bowling ball his way into a play that was as covered as it was going to get.

Also, it’s ludicrously easy to cherry-pick individual frames from a TV broadcast of a game to fit just about ANY narrative.

Hell, Ed’s boy, ADA, would fare significantly worse in such an exercise, I’d wager...

 

[Crease]

Anyone think Lindgren can be like Kevin Klein? Klein was really solid on defense during those runs. Then had that one year where he had a bunch of goals. I miss healthy Klein.

Someone in the Klein/Sauer mold is exactly what the Rangers need on the backend. Maybe two of them. Hope Lindgren can become that guy.

 

[Off Sides]

As soon as Kakko, Shestyorkin graduate off the prospects list, they might only have 1 forward prospect, Kravtsov, and like 9 D in their top 10.

Makes me feel like they need more forward prospects who have some potential.

I'd like to see them get an extra 1st this year as there are a lot of high potential forwards who are going to be available in the draft even in the later part of the 1st, maybe even into the early 2nd.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Someone in the Klein/Sauer mold is exactly what the Rangers need on the backend. Maybe two of them. Hope Lindgren can become that guy.

I think Robertson can be one.

 

[Leetch3]

As soon as Kakko, Shestyorkin graduate off the prospects list, they might only have 1 forward prospect, Kravtsov, and like 9 D in their top 10.

Makes me feel like they need more forward prospects who have some potential.

I'd like to see them get an extra 1st this year as there are a lot of high potential forwards who are going to be available in the draft even in the later part of the 1st, maybe even into the early 2nd.

hopefully we load up on forward prospects in the next draft.

 

[Gardner McKay]

He's fine but is he gonna beat out the guys in our pipeline? I'll answer it for you, no he isn't. By the time this team is ready to compete he will be the 7th guy or somewhere else.

Maybe not, but that is where you start making trades and maybe some of those prospects get traded for help up front. Lindgren likely won't return that kind of value. Not to mention having a top 4 guy (some of the other prospects in our pipeline) stuck on the bottom pairing playing 10-12 minutes a night doesn't make much sense when you could help fill other holes in the lineup.

 

[Leetch3]

He's fine but is he gonna beat out the guys in our pipeline? I'll answer it for you, no he isn't. By the time this team is ready to compete he will be the 7th guy or somewhere else.

maybe but its also not just play the 6 most talented guys...sometimes guys need to fit a role and all 3 pairs can't be horses that can play 25+ minutes a night. but either way if he is forced out cause other guys are better, I'm happy with that.

 

[Off Sides]

hopefully we load up on forward prospects in the next draft.

Well they have their own 1st, yet do not have a 2nd.

I am just not sold on their prospect pool to the point where I think they can start to really think about not adding more to it. On the flip side I am not sold on what they have in the NHL to think they should start adding to that.

I guess I'm still in stockpile mode, not sure where they are at.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

As soon as Kakko, Shestyorkin graduate off the prospects list, they might only have 1 forward prospect, Kravtsov, and like 9 D in their top 10.

Makes me feel like they need more forward prospects who have some potential.

I'd like to see them get an extra 1st this year as there are a lot of high potential forwards who are going to be available in the draft even in the later part of the 1st, maybe even into the early 2nd.

If we have a top10 pick and acquire a 1st in a Kreider trade that ends up later than 25 I’d love to see a duo of Stutzle Peterka/Reichel. If the Germans are off the board then Perfetti/Rossi and someone like Tyson Foerster would be great. At this point it seems like Dawson Mercer will be going a bit higher. Theres loads of great forward prospects in the 1st. Anyway’s back to roster building.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Also, it’s ludicrously easy to cherry-pick individual frames from a TV broadcast of a game to fit just about ANY narrative.

Hell, Ed’s boy, ADA, would fare significantly worse in such an exercise, I’d wager...

Defensemen get a tough assignment when it comes to fans. Girardi and Staal had a whole PR team and record-setting shot block numbers to boost their 'defensive' reputation, but defense is rarely a position that lends itself to glory. The honest truth is, when you're playing nearly half the game, not only will a bad pinch happen, not only will your chances of making a game-altering mistake rise, but you can also have those things happen and still play a very good game. Because of so many things--namely, that 'good defense' is largely about an infinity of things that might've happened but didn't--it's not often a player is fairly accredited. Of course the obvious excuse (and correct one) for a DeAngelo is that he 'makes more good things happen than bad' but what is too often lost in discussion here is that for a player like Trouba (in his role this season), praise would more correctly read like, 'he disrupts/interrupts/prevents/negates more bad things from happening than he allows.' Overall, I think that's a fair assessment of him. And TBH I hated the signing when we made it. He's won me over with his play.

 

[Edge]

Hell, let's go for something truly crazy if we're talking about a fantasy scenario in which we trade Kreider, acquire picks, and keep all our said picks:

Let's win the lottery, take either Lafreniere or Byfield with the first or second pick, while having the Kreider pick rise all the way 16 and have a guy like Holloway slip.

Get another potentially elite impact player on offense (Lafreniere/Byfield), and get a guy with growth potential who has a chance to be crucial offensive contributer --- but also a prospect we can live with as "only" a support player who fits our team like a glove (Holloway).

Swap in Lafreniere for Kreider; or trade Strome, slide Chytil up to the second line, and put Byfield in Chytil's third line role.

Trade Buch for a player or players who bring another dynamic to the team, use our depth to shore up other areas. Assuming Hank stays, trade Georgiev to improve other areas of the team as well.

Hell, if I'm going to fantasy book, I'm going to book with one of the two top players from this draft and have all the bounces go our way.

 

[Lays]

Not that I disagree in spirit, because you've nailed it basically, but atm Trouba is certainly making #1D money (tied for 5th in the league with Carlson and Burns in AAV).

Trouba got paid market value. 8 mil for a top pairing RHD is pretty good and we’ll start seeing Trouba caliber players make around what he’s making. Tyler Myers got 6 mil x 6 years. Shattenkirk got 7 mil over 4 years and at the time it was a steal, he easily could’ve got 8 x 8 and he wasn’t as good as Trouba. Tyson Barrie is asking for 8 mil now too and I’d be surprised if he got less than 7 mil and Trouba is also significantly better

 

[bobbop]

Ridiculous, cherry-picked series of frames.

Any failed pinch is going to look like that. And it makes sense that he's out of the frame until the last screen shot. You already had 3 Rangers back against 2 Devils. He was picking up the trailer, which is exactly what you'd expect him to do. There's an extra Devil laying crumpled on the ground behind him in the final frame.

Any D is going to have failed pinches over a long enough period. It wasn't a good play, but every Dman in the league does it with varying degrees of regularity.

Your hate for Trouba is absolutely bizarre. Is the guy a #1D? No, but he's a solid #2, which is right where his salary falls.

July 1 can't come soon enough

 

[TheDirtyH]

Trouba got paid market value. 8 mil for a top pairing RHD is pretty good and we’ll start seeing Trouba caliber players make around what he’s making. Tyler Myers got 6 mil x 6 years. Shattenkirk got 7 mil over 4 years and at the time it was a steal, he easily could’ve got 8 x 8 and he wasn’t as good as Trouba. Tyson Barrie is asking for 8 mil now too and I’d be surprised if he got less than 7 mil and Trouba is also significantly better

I mean, all things being equal, I still don't love that number for Trouba. But under the salary cap I can live with an extra one or two million added to a player who fills an otherwise gaping hole in the roster--much like Panarin at 11.6 (which I'm on record as having no problems with at the time of the signing ).