Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXII

[n8]

I honestly feel Lindgren unless he takes another giant step ahead like he already did will be a 7th dman on a contending team.

I don't know which player you are watching but Lindgren has been the second coming of Mike Sauer in my eyes. Heck, the two even LOOK like the same person. Or related.

 

[The New Russian Five]

The issues people have with Buch remind me of the issues that people had with JT Miller. Both very talented, but somehow look very lazy, and make the frequent dumb play. I see Buch's progression very much like JT's. At some point, I think Buch puts it together. He has the skill and he's getting the chances. I think eventually he starts figuring how to capitalize on the many good chances he gets. I'd prefer not to make the mistake of trading Buch right before he enters into his peak as we did with Miller.

 

[EdJovanovski]

The issues people have with Buch remind me of the issues that people had with JT Miller. Both very talented, but somehow look very lazy, and make the frequent dumb play. I see Buch's progression very much like JT's. At some point, I think Buch puts it together. He has the skill and he's getting the chances. I think eventually he starts figuring how to capitalize on the many good chances he gets. I'd prefer not to make the mistake of trading Buch right before he enters into his peak as we did with Miller.

Don't you dare compare him to Bozo

 

[LORDE]

The teams compete level is high pretty consistently. The team is fun to watch.

Except for the 1st few mins of games you mean?

 

[Alluckks]

Every time that I bother to post on the main boards I am reminded of the cesspool that it is

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Don't you dare compare him to Bozo

Bozo has 44p in 47g.

You’re unwarranted hated for him is reminiscent of Trouba. It’s kind of pathetic.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Bozo has 44p in 47g.

You’re unwarranted hated for him is reminiscent of Trouba. It’s kind of pathetic.

Playing with Elias Pettersson & Brock Boeser.
He still makes bonehead plays on a nightly basis, last game against Winnipeg Pettersson passed it to him and he had the puck on his stick on the right side of the net (best angle for his left handed shot to shoot) while the goalie was laying down on the other side of the net, one of the most gaping wide open nets you'll ever see, and he tried passing it back across toward the point. Several games ago in 3v3 OT they had a delayed powerplay and he dumped it in. At the Toronto game I went to Vancouver pulled their goalie and Bozo was behind the net and passed it right to the Leaf player and he scored. He is a low IQ player just like Trouba, the reason I call them out on it is because they're perceived as star players. I'm not going to go off on every dumb thing McKegg does since he's a random 4th liner. But Trouba is someone we handed over a 7 year 8 million dollar contract when we have ADA, Fox & Lundkvist in the wings; and just signed Panarin to the 2nd most expensive contract in the league. If that player is doing dumb shit it has a far bigger impact on the team than other 4th liners who suck. Obviously Trouba is a better hockey player than some 4th liner or 7th dman, but he has a greater impact on the team and I think it'll be a negative one in the longterm.

 

[nyr2k2]

I don't know which player you are watching but Lindgren has been the second coming of Mike Sauer in my eyes. Heck, the two even LOOK like the same person. Or related.

Yeah, I don't really know what else people want Lindgren--who remember is 21 and has played 40 NHL games!--to do. He's sound positionally, regularly clears out the crease, is a good hitter, actually moves the puck around pretty damn well, and rarely makes a bad decision.

 

[RGY]

Trouba is a low IQ hockey player?

ROFL i have seen it all...

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I don't know which player you are watching but Lindgren has been the second coming of Mike Sauer in my eyes. Heck, the two even LOOK like the same person. Or related.

He's fine but is he gonna beat out the guys in our pipeline? I'll answer it for you, no he isn't. By the time this team is ready to compete he will be the 7th guy or somewhere else.

 

[QJL]

He's fine but is he gonna beat out the guys in our pipeline? I'll answer it for you, no he isn't. By the time this team is ready to compete he will be the 7th guy or somewhere else.

I don’t think Hajek or Rykov end up higher in the depth chart than Lindgren. Given recent prospect polls, neither do most.

The rest of the talented left side in our system (Miller, Jones, Reunanen, Robertson, Gross) are all offensively leaning with their skill set. All have a ton of work ahead to become the defensive player that Lindgren is.

With a ton of offense pegged for our blue line between Fox, DeAngelo, Trouba, and Lundkvist, and uncertainty about Skjei’s future, it seems likely one of the lefty spots will be reserved for a defensive stalwart.

I see nobody in the system currently who fits that’s role better than Lindgren. I think he’s playing himself into the future picture and I think he’s the reason Skjei eventually gets traded.

Next year:

DeAngelo - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Skjei - Lundkvist
Hajek
Rykov

21-22

DeAngelo - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Lundkvist
Jones
Robertson

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Playing with Elias Pettersson & Brock Boeser.
He still makes bonehead plays on a nightly basis, last game against Winnipeg Pettersson passed it to him and he had the puck on his stick on the right side of the net (best angle for his left handed shot to shoot) while the goalie was laying down on the other side of the net, one of the most gaping wide open nets you'll ever see, and he tried passing it back across toward the point. Several games ago in 3v3 OT they had a delayed powerplay and he dumped it in. At the Toronto game I went to Vancouver pulled their goalie and Bozo was behind the net and passed it right to the Leaf player and he scored. He is a low IQ player just like Trouba, the reason I call them out on it is because they're perceived as star players. I'm not going to go off on every dumb thing McKegg does since he's a random 4th liner. But Trouba is someone we handed over a 7 year 8 million dollar contract when we have ADA, Fox & Lundkvist in the wings; and just signed Panarin to the 2nd most expensive contract in the league. If that player is doing dumb **** it has a far bigger impact on the team than other 4th liners who suck. Obviously Trouba is a better hockey player than some 4th liner or 7th dman, but he has a greater impact on the team and I think it'll be a negative one in the longterm.

If you used paragraphs I would have done more than skim through this nonsense, which can best be described as selective memory at its finest.

I’ll ask you again, why do you purposely ignore bad plays from guys like ADA and Buch..? Not a peep from you when ADA gets schooled in his own zone. Or when Buch disappears for 3/4 games while playing with Zbad+CK...

That’s the biased garbage I dislike. If you’re going to evaluate players stop the immature nonsense and put your personal feelings aside. Offer a neutral evaluation and people like myself will respect it.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I don't know which player you are watching but Lindgren has been the second coming of Mike Sauer in my eyes. Heck, the two even LOOK like the same person. Or related.

How about Aaron Ward? Derek Morris? Kevin Klein?

 

[NernieBichols]

Muzzin already out
Just announced Morgan Reilly is out for like 8 weeks.

.....

 

[Avery16]

Thought I'd double check on the Blues board:

Blues and Rangers fan here. Was discussing some Blues players on the Rangers board, and even though I'm a fan I haven't followed closely enough to remember the following:

Kostin and Kyrou have each been injured in the past couple seasons. Kostin injured his knee in 2017 and his shoulder around this Thanksgiving, right? And Kyrou had a knee injury recently but has recovered and nothing else, right? Kostin is back from his shoulder injury? Thx.

I believe this is correct. Both are back to full health.

Just saying... neither were available for O’Reilly, so I would doubt either are available for Kreider. MAYBE Kostin if management has really soured on him.

 

[EdJovanovski]

If you used paragraphs I would have done more than skim through this nonsense, which can best be described as selective memory at its finest.

I’ll ask you again, why do you purposely ignore bad plays from guys like ADA and Buch..? Not a peep from you when ADA gets schooled in his own zone. Or when Buch disappears for 3/4 games while playing with Zbad+CK...

That’s the biased garbage I dislike. If you’re going to evaluate players stop the immature nonsense and put your personal feelings aside. Offer a neutral evaluation and people like myself will respect it.

I read Ayn Rand, I don't mind walls of text. ADA is supposed to be an all out offensive defenseman who sucks defensively, Trouba is the 8 million dollar all situations shutdown guy. I don't expect Panarin to nail guys into the boards, just like I don't expect Brendan Lemieux to score 40 goals. Different players have different roles, expectations, salaries, etc.

In the past few games ADA has made a couple bad passes that resulted in turnovers, although two were caused by Panarin blindly throwing no-look passes to him at inopportune times (such as when a powerplay just ended and ADA would obviously be backing up). A stark difference is when ADA makes mistakes he's a good enough skater to get back in time, and actually puts effort in and hustles his ass off to backcheck. Trouba not only skates very slowly and forwards have to bail him out on a nightly basis, but it doesn't even look like he's trying as I see him just gliding back.

If you like; tomorrow night you can make note of all the mistakes ADA makes, and I can PVR the game and go back and analyze them and give my take. I can do the same and provide a list of Trouba's mistakes if you like.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I read Ayn Rand, I don't mind walls of text. ADA is supposed to be an all out offensive defenseman who sucks defensively, Trouba is the 8 million dollar all situations shutdown guy. I don't expect Panarin to nail guys into the boards, just like I don't expect Brendan Lemieux to score 40 goals. Different players have different roles, expectations, salaries, etc.

In the past few games ADA has made a couple bad passes that resulted in turnovers, although two were caused by Panarin blindly throwing no-look passes to him at inopportune times (such as when a powerplay just ended and ADA would obviously be backing up). A stark difference is when ADA makes mistakes he's a good enough skater to get back in time, and actually puts effort in and hustles his ass off to backcheck. Trouba not only skates very slowly and forwards have to bail him out on a nightly basis, but it doesn't even look like he's trying as I see him just gliding back.

If you like; tomorrow night you can make note of all the mistakes ADA makes, and I can PVR the game and go back and analyze them and give my take. I can do the same and provide a list of Trouba's mistakes if you like.

Why one game? Let’s do that the rest of the season.

1 Game is what amateurs would suggest.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Why one game? Let’s do that the rest of the season.

1 Game is what amateurs would suggest.

We can if you want, I'd love to make you see the light

 

[RGY]

Trouba not only skates very slowly and forwards have to bail him out on a nightly basis, but it doesn't even look like he's trying as I see him just gliding back.

If you like; tomorrow night you can make note of all the mistakes ADA makes, and I can PVR the game and go back and analyze them and give my take. I can do the same and provide a list of Trouba's mistakes if you like.

Or maybe you’re creating an evaluation that does not exist to anyone except you.

Trouba doesn’t look like he is trying? You’ve gotta be kidding me with this nonsense. Or that he skates slowly, which is not the case by any means. Yeah maybe he is not as fast as DeAngelo but he is not slow. And is it quite possible with Trouba that he is evaluating the play to pick his spots of when to press defensively, when to lay a hit, when to pinch to keep a puck in? He doesn’t play a reckless game. He plays more conservative. Just because he is making $8 million, that means he was supposed to transform into this defenseman that is a combination of both what he is defensively and someone like DeAngelo? The hate and criticism is flat out ridiculous. Ridiculous.

This is the last ill comment on this because this is such a mind blowing bad take on Trouba after 45 games.

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[Avery16]

this could also be an effect of the minutes, but great illustration of a point

 

[aufheben]

Take the Ayn Rand discussion to her thread.

wait

 

[Rongomania]

Tony D will be worth the 6 mil.

Jake Troubas contract in two years will look a lot nicer compared to the hopefully rising cap.

We're gravy boys.

 

[egelband]

The issues people have with Buch remind me of the issues that people had with JT Miller. Both very talented, but somehow look very lazy, and make the frequent dumb play. I see Buch's progression very much like JT's. At some point, I think Buch puts it together. He has the skill and he's getting the chances. I think eventually he starts figuring how to capitalize on the many good chances he gets. I'd prefer not to make the mistake of trading Buch right before he enters into his peak as we did with Miller.

I don’t think Buchnevich is perceived as lazy. Just high strung and sensitive. I expect he’ll get over it eventually.

 

[n8]

How about Aaron Ward? Derek Morris? Kevin Klein?

Tomas Kloucek, Boris Mironov, Raphael Diaz. Look, I can name random ex-Ranger defensemen with zero context too. I haven't a clue what you even saying.