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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXII

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What to do with Kreider?

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rangers1314 said:
Do people honestly think the Rangers are getting Newhook for 2 months of Kreider?
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NYR Viper said:
I think we all need to temper our expectations a bit. If we're setting the bar at Newhook I have a feeling we will have a lot of disappointed fans
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We've done this before and the expectations always ramp up. I'm expecting Bowers and a 1st, and I'm not even convinced about the 1st as opposed to another young player. I don't see Sakic overpaying in any scenario. If he won't part with Newhook, what's another team's best offer?
 
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we've been talking about kreider to the avs for ever. but to be honest no one mentioned moves the needle besides newhook and I doubt they trade him...not saying there isn't a good deal there to be made but the avs really don't excite me as a trade partner.
 
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duhmetreE said:
Once again, I think if Kreider agrees to a 4-5 year deal, he stays. This mindset, of trading away anything over 27/28, is not sustainable. Where does it end? Why keep Mika? He's going to be 29 as a UFA, trade him for futures now? What's the point of holding on to him? Maybe it's a perspective thing as I think this team will be competing as early as next year... ( but more seriously/likely in 2021 )

Kreider is a great support player. A strong influence off the ice. He's tight with Mika. He drives play and it doesn't always show up on the stat sheet. He can go beast mode at any moment and could carry us in the playoffs. 5 years/$33-35M. Yes, he's streaky but he's worth that. He's not being paid to be 'the man'.

Team is taking shape... A lot of pieces are in place.. The development of Kakko, Kravtsov and Chytil brings us to an elite level offensively IMO. We do not need more offensive assets. We need structure and stabilizing forces. Another Fast and/or Boyle type, even better if he's in a Prust mold. We dont need to give up major assets to acquire that.


We have a good combo of vets and kids IF Kreider, Strome and Fast are signed. Move Buch. Move Georgie. Possibly move Skjei. Keep our draft picks and continue to add and develop.
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agree with most of what you are saying and I think alot of people could get on board with keeping kreider for 4-5 years but the problem remains why is he taking that? that would be leaving alot of $$ on the table...
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Retention on expiring contracts has no real impact on trade value IMO. It just serves to get the contract to fit within the team's cap.

It's a different story when a contract has term left, like Yandle.
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very true. retention on an expiring contract is a different thing. but the potential value and the reason the rangers would leak this is in hopes of having more potential trade partners. you are hoping that a team against the cap that can't afford kreider without moving out salary are now in the mix cause he is more affordable.
 
GAGLine said:
The Avs are going to have about 25 mil in cap space next year with only Zadorov and Burakovsky due significant raises. They can afford to re-sign him.
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If any deal w/ Colorado materialized, I'd very much hope Smith @50% is included.

This isn't a "take our trash" type of trade, Smith would be very helpful veteran to have as a 7/8 defense option on a deep playoff run (where teams find themselves dressing almost anyone in the later rounds). @50% retention, real salary of 1.675M next year is very much a reasonable figure as insurance for Sakic/COL.
 
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Watch what the rangers do, not what everyone else says.

there have been no contract negotiations. If the rangers really wanted to keep the player, they would have made the attempt already.

They’re for sure in wait and see mode, but Their actions don’t follow those of a team that is dead set on keeping a guy.

just hope that they don’t do something stupid like self rent and then walk away.
 
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What's the term and number that both parties can live with?
I would love to see Kreider take a $7x5 deal, but I don't think the term would work for him. I cringe a bit when I think 7x7.

There's no doubt that if CK goes, he will be dearly missed.
 
GoAwayStaal said:
Watch what the rangers do, not what everyone else says.

there have been no contract negotiations. If the rangers really wanted to keep the player, they would have made the attempt already.

They’re for sure in wait and see mode, but Their actions don’t follow those of a team that is dead set on keeping a guy.

just hope that they don’t do something stupid like self rent and then walk away.
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I think at the very minimum, they need to have a talk with Hank and understand his plan for next year and even after that one. That will determine if they trade GG. If he is not retiring next year and is willing to be a backup there after, re-signing on a team friendly deal which he will be 39 years old when he signs, then GG should be traded before the deadline.

They have to at least make that move.

I am completely fine with moving on from Buchnevich. He is what he is. A middle 6 player that has the pendulum swing back and forth throughout the season. Has talent but does not finish enough. And you know what there may be a team that needs more skill in their lineup because they have too many north-south guys. Meanwhile we have a lot of skill and need more of that “sandpaper” play in the middle 6.

Skjei. I don’t see him being traded until after the season unless someone offers something Gorton cannot refuse.

Fast stays.

Strome stays. At least through the season. RFA status. Has great chemistry with Panarin. He could slide to wing if you want to bump Chytil up next year. Kakko could play in Zibanejad’s line with Kreider if he is here or someone else.

Kreider is the one that is TBD. Just really don’t know which way Gorton and JD go on this. Ive said it over and over again, the month of January will determine where Kreider is come the deadline.
 
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The S5 said:
What's the term and number that both parties can live with?
I would love to see Kreider take a $7x5 deal, but I don't think the term would work for him. I cringe a bit when I think 7x7.

There's no doubt that if CK goes, he will be dearly missed.
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Max i go is 6 years @ $6.8 AAV. That is the max. 5 years @ $7 AAV. Or 4 years @ $7.25 AAV.

And those only get done if Kreider is willing to leave money on the table.
 
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Everytime ive seen Jost play I have been impressed with how he drives the net. I think he needs a change of scenery. Jost and a 1st is the move most similar to the Hayes trade. We’re not getting Newhook from the biggest cheapskate GM in the league
 
I still think I'd prefer:

BOS 1st + Heinen + Frederic

Heinen:
24 years old currently
At 22 years old, put up 47 points. @ 23, he had 37 points. this year he's at 20 points in 47 games. He plays all (3) forward positions and is a good 2-way forward.
He makes $2.8m this year and next and then is a RFA

Frederic:
21 years old
Has 20 points in 35 AHL games, along with 100 PIM's already. Last year he had 25 points in 55 games so he is improving. He plays both wing and center.
RFA after next year

Jost:
21 years old
Has 13 points in 43 games played. Last year he had 26 points in 70 games so he is actually slightly behind his pace from last year as a 20 year old.
RFA at years end

I'm failing to see, beyond his draft spot, why anyone would take Jost over Heinen + Frederic (considering the 1st's will be near identical later in round 1)
 
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Raspewtin said:
what is the appeal of Trent Frederic besides that video of him KO'ing an AHL goon?
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a potential another Lemieux type. good on the forcheck, scrappy, in your face type of game. someone who can draw penalties by his style. good types to have. Bruins did not want to give him up in the Nash trade for a reason.
 
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NYR Viper said:
I still think I'd prefer:

BOS 1st + Heinen + Frederic

Heinen:
24 years old currently
At 22 years old, put up 47 points. @ 23, he had 37 points. this year he's at 20 points in 47 games. He plays all (3) forward positions and is a good 2-way forward.
He makes $2.8m this year and next and then is a RFA

Frederic:
21 years old
Has 20 points in 35 AHL games, along with 100 PIM's already. Last year he had 25 points in 55 games so he is improving. He plays both wing and center.
RFA after next year

Jost:
21 years old
Has 13 points in 43 games played. Last year he had 26 points in 70 games so he is actually slightly behind his pace from last year as a 20 year old.
RFA at years end

I'm failing to see, beyond his draft spot, why anyone would take Jost over Heinen + Frederic (considering the 1st's will be near identical later in round 1)
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I don't want Jost, too soft for my liking. Rangers need players god along the boards and that are tenacious. i do like Heinen and Frederic though, if the Blues have some interest in Kreider I'd like Thomas and Kostin who has had chemistry with Kravtsov for Russia in WJC... hmmm
 
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