Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXII

[eco's bones]

I like Zucc a lot as a player but he's also 31 and almost certainly not headed for his best years. The Rangers are no sure bet to be a playoff contender next year when he'll be 32--so the ? really becomes can he as a player be a real part of the solution in getting the Rangers back to the playoffs and then to being a real contender which could be 4-5 years or more at best when he'll be 35 0r 36 + if he's still able to go. I really really liked him as a player for us but it's time to cut the cord. If the Rangers want to bring him back some day as a coach--a scout or whatever--great but for this team to go forward the Rangers need to move him for younger assets.

 

[Off Sides]

Especially a team like Edmonton who has multiple issues on their roster. I know he isn't a RHD, but you'd have to think them potentially adding in someone like Claesson to a trade could get us a 1+prospect.

Zucc +Claesson for Edmonton 1st + prospect? I'm always wary of players Edmonton drafts. They are a terrible drafting team.

I like Claesson, and I think the Rangers should see if he'll sign some 2 year deal, but if that is what the add has to be to increase the return so be it.

Mostly I just think the Rangers can do better than the market may return by making more complex deals in some instances.

Some deadlines only a couple 1st rounders get moved, if this happens to be that variety, the Rangers can do some stuff other teams are going to have trouble matching.

Some teams are selling yet near the cap ceiling and can not take back too much. Some teams are not going to want to add salary/real money for next year. Some buyer are going to have issues with their cap next season, so on and so forth, mostly the Rangers are in a pretty good position cap and obviously real money wise, and they have several short term contracts and pending RFA contracts, I think they can utilize that to their advantage one way or another.

 

[RGY]

Claesson stinks. Wouldnt think twice about trading him.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Claesson stinks. Wouldnt think twice about trading him.

wat

 

[offdacrossbar]

Claesson stinks. Wouldnt think twice about trading him.

actually hes been pretty good. and cheap.

i like him alot more than i do most of this defense. which aint sayin much i know

 

[Matz03]

Claesson stinks. Wouldnt think twice about trading him.

Cleasson is what we hoped Smith would be. But one will cost 1/4th to retain and the other is a buyout candidate.

 

[LORDE]

I don’t think Gorton is looking short term... I still maintain after 2021 so any thoughts of keeping Zucc or Kreider or whoever needs to be viewed through the lens that post 21 is when we are trying to contend.

That includes signing big UFA

 

[Tawnos]

I don’t think Gorton is looking short term... I still maintain after 2021 so any thoughts of keeping Zucc or Kreider or whoever needs to be viewed through the lens that post 21 is when we are trying to contend.

That includes signing big UFA

Yep. It's not about if a player is a good player to have today. It's about if he's going to contribute to the team 3 years from now.

 

[Irishguy42]

Claesson stinks. Wouldnt think twice about trading him.

This ain't it, chief.

 

[Tawnos]

Claesson stinks. Wouldnt think twice about trading him.

I wouldn't say he stinks, but he's a pretty typical 6-7 guy... most effective in short stretches, but the longer he plays, the more invisible he becomes.

 

[LORDE]

Yep. It's not about if a player is a good player to have today. It's about if he's going to contribute to the team 3 years from now.

This exactly

Leadership isn’t a reason to sign someone to a huge contract while at the same time forgoing the pieces they would potentially bring back via trade now or next deadline.

Staal provides leadership and he’s vilified here because he’s not worth that contract on the ice.

I’m not saying there’s no place for leadership but if that’s why you’re extending a Zucc or a Kreider knowing they won’t contribute as much as they do now is lunacy when you’re NOT a contending team.

And we aren’t. At all. And won’t be for years

 

[MetalJaws]

I'd hate to get rid of Kreider, but if Chiarelli is gonna Chiarelli and we sign Panarin, that's a win win.

To Edmonton
Kreider
Names
Claesson
Tampa Bays 2019 2nd rounder
NYR 2019 3rd rounder


To NYR
EDM unprotected 2019 1st rounder
EDM unprotected 2020 1st rounder
Yamamoto
Pool Party

 

[Don Chytil]

I'd hate to get rid of Kreider, but if Chiarelli is gonna Chiarelli and we sign Panarin, that's a win win.

To Edmonton
Kreider
Names
Claesson
Tampa Bays 2019 2nd rounder
NYR 2019 3rd rounder


To NYR
EDM unprotected 2019 1st rounder
EDM unprotected 2020 1st rounder
Yamamoto
Pool Party

Those are the main 4 assets that I'd expect Edmonton to use to improve their team. No way all 4 of them get traded for that package. More likely you can get 2 of those assets for Kreider.

 

[Off Sides]

Even if Claesson is a 6-7, I'd say closer to #5, he is cheap, all he would cost on a 1 year deal is a qualifier or close to, on two year his contract ends the same time as like most of the rest of the team. He'd still be trade-able or at least waive-able and demote-able without cap issues.

The more important value there in my mind, maybe it allows for the Rangers to not go out and spend more on some UFA or trade to basically get back what Claesson is, a 5-6-7D (which is also what Smith, McQuaid are and the things I'd like the Rangers to maybe avoid)

 

[Lion Hound]

I'd hate to get rid of Kreider, but if Chiarelli is gonna Chiarelli and we sign Panarin, that's a win win.

To Edmonton
Kreider
Names
Claesson
Tampa Bays 2019 2nd rounder
NYR 2019 3rd rounder


To NYR
EDM unprotected 2019 1st rounder
EDM unprotected 2020 1st rounder
Yamamoto
Pool Party

They don't need to get rid of Kreider to sign Panarin though. They can just move out Zucc and Hayes and maybe even Names via separate deals.

In addition to that the risk factor is also that if, you are trading Kreider, you are doing so before the opportunity to even discuss a contract with Panarin. So potentially you are losing #20 without even knowing if Panarin would come here. Risky move.

The return you posted is significant.

 

[nyrage]

I like Zucc a lot as a player but he's also 31 and almost certainly not headed for his best years. The Rangers are no sure bet to be a playoff contender next year when he'll be 32--so the ? really becomes can he as a player be a real part of the solution in getting the Rangers back to the playoffs and then to being a real contender which could be 4-5 years or more at best when he'll be 35 0r 36 + if he's still able to go. I really really liked him as a player for us but it's time to cut the cord. If the Rangers want to bring him back some day as a coach--a scout or whatever--great but for this team to go forward the Rangers need to move him for younger assets.

I liked Zucc as much as the next guy, but he's gotta go. There is no room for sentimentality in this rebuild. I can't say that I missed the current version of Zucc when he was out earlier this season. He has no future on this team. Let's hope that he gets on a good run and just take what you can for him at the trade deadline.

 

[MetalJaws]

I wonder if Edmonton would do

Kreider, Names and McQuaid

for

2019 1st unprotected
2020 2nd
Yamamoto
Pool Party

 

[Ori]

It would be great to move both Namestnikov and Kevin Shattenkirk, call up Lias & Libor H, but why wait until TDL? It might get us too many points to get a really low pick in 2019 summer draft.

That`s a total over 10 mil$ cap hit and possible another 5 mil $ when Jeff decide to move Hayes as well in the summer window. And we don`t need Nam on our 3rd line at all if we hit with a forward in the 2019 summer draft, but don`t wait Jeff Gordon. Jim Benning already moved Del Zotto which I mentioned on Tuesday on the Canuck forum which is an ideal move consider low impact on game performance and with a relative high cap hit.

 

[RGY]

This ain't it, chief.

He f***ing sucks. Claesson would be reserved to a 7th role on most teams in the NHL. He gets bodied out there, his defensive positioning is sketchy, he handles the puck like its a grenade at times.

He stinks.

 

[MetalJaws]

Obviously my proposals are banking on Chiarelli doing something very stupid. I like Kreider but man that guy has been fleeced time and time again. Let's have the last laugh before his departure!

 

[East Coast Bias]

I wonder if Edmonton would do

Kreider, Names and McQuaid

for

2019 1st unprotected
2020 2nd
Yamamoto
Pool Party

They're not going to be able to fit that under the cap. We'd need to take back contracts

 

[effen]

EDM as at the cap, you cant send them $10M in salaries while taking back $2M.

 

[Edge]

I'm not giving the Oilers bulk, and adding to it, for one late first round pick (which is what that pick is after sending all those NHL-ready assets their way), a late second (see previous comment), a decent prospect and a reclamation project.

That deal heavily favors Edmonton.

 

[mulli25]

The Tampa 2nd is the one that turns into a 1st if they win the cup this year right? I'd prefer not to trade that

 

[Do you want ants]

I wonder if Edmonton would do

Kreider, Names and McQuaid

for

2019 1st unprotected
2020 2nd
Yamamoto
Pool Party

Why would we do this? Adding those players would increase their likelihood of making the playoffs and make the 1st significantly less valuable.