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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXII

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At this point we all kinda hope K'Andre will develop into a 1# defenseman. We've drafted and acquired so many d-man now, let'em develop and see what we got.

We should only draft D if it's like elite talent, I guess Byram fits that bill for the upcoming draft. Idk, some Doughty/Hedman type of prospect. Quantity-wise, we good.

What we desperately need more of is O. We need to find kids that are better than Zib and then some.
 
jas said:
Again, he wants immediate results for a process that really only began in March.
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Exactly. Yeah, it'd be nice if we got Petterson for example, but there's one Petterson and 31 teams who would have loved to get him. By all accounts, including Brooks himself, our management identified him as a stand out and even tried to trade for that pick.
 
jas said:
If I’m moving Kreider, it’s for a high end prospect, another quality prospect and a 1st. Otherwise, I‘m signing him long term.
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And the prospect is not just high end. We are talking the crown jewel of the franchise. Yes, the opposition can get a high end top line player that can put them over the top. But prying him from NY is going to HURT.
 
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Rangers in 7 said:
i disagree with you, they have plenty of pieces i like, most likely not many they would be willing to move though
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Not a fan of Yamamoto or Bouchard. Klefbom and Nurse aren’t difference makers for me. If I’m giving up an impact player like Kreider, when I have no obligation to move him, I want a potential impact player back, especially from an incompetent GM like Chiarelli.
 
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NYRFANMANI said:
At this point we all kinda hope K'Andre will develop into a 1# defenseman. We've drafted and acquired so many d-man now, let'em develop and see what we got.

We should only draft D if it's like elite talent, I guess Byram fits that bill for the upcoming draft. Idk, some Doughty/Hedman type of prospect. Quantity-wise, we good.

What we desperately need more of is O. We need to find kids that are better than Zib and then some.
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You can never have too many solid defensive prospects in my opinion. Top 4 defensemen, particularly of the puck moving variety, are always in high demand.

Not to say we can ignore drafting forwards or anything, just that I’m not concerned with taking a Dman at any point if they’re the BPA.

I’d rather be in the position of trying to swap a top 4 dman prospect for a top 6 forward than the other way around.
 
Byram is the only Dman worthy of a top 10 pick this year and there are about a half-dozen forwards I would take over him. That being said, I would not be unhappy with that pick at all.
 
haveandare said:
Moving Kreider only makes sense if a we're getting a high level player who is significantly younger than CK. Moving him for a d-man his age does nothing for us. If we're not concerned about his age and place in his career arc (which I'm not personally) I'd rather just keep him.
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How are we building a blueline? A forward may take 2-4 years, the D 4-6+.

I want a blueline in place when the forwards we pick up now matures. The same argument applies for Larsson as it did for Trouba.

McKay- Larsson definitely has offense in him. RD with size. Best open ice hitter in hockey probably. He plays for Edmonton.

The same thing applies for Puljujärvi. The Edmonton factor. The kid is a top 3 pick who lead the WJC and scored 17 pts in 7 games in the WJC as a 17 y/o. He is only 20 y/o. A few months older than Lias Andersson. But it was only Aho and Laine? A few months later he scores a hat—trick in the finals of the U18 WJC and more or less alone wins that tournament for Finland.

I have never even remotely seen the hockey community write of a prospect as fast as Puljujärvi is being written off by almost everyone.

If Puljujärvi develops perfectly from that point today, what would his cost be? Kreider, Skjei, Lias and Kravtsov. Kids like him would never be moved.

Pulju DOES have HUGE ISSUES with his game, but honestly, it’s here I think many completely lose perspective. Completely. The kid is 20 y/o. 6’5, kids that size takes longer to develop. He has grown a lot after getting drafted. Should his issues drop his value down to ZERO? Why? I just don’t get that at all.
 
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Ola said:
How are we building a blueline? A forward may take 2-4 years, the D 4-6+.

I want a blueline in place when the forwards we pick up now matures. The same argument applies for Larsson as it did for Trouba.

McKay- Larsson definitely has offense in him. RD with size. Best open ice hitter in hockey probably. He plays for Edmonton.

The same thing applies for Puljujärvi. The Edmonton factor. The kid is a top 3 pick who lead the WJC and scored 17 pts in 7 games in the WJC as a 17 y/o. He is only 20 y/o. A few months older than Lias Andersson. But it was only Aho and Laine? A few months later he scores a hat—trick in the finals of the U18 WJC and more or less alone wins that tournament for Finland.

I have never even remotely seen the hockey community write of a prospect as fast as Puljujärvi is being written off by almost everyone.

If Puljujärvi develops perfectly from that point today, what would his cost be? Kreider, Skjei, Lias and Kravtsov. Kids like him would never be moved.

Pulju DOES have HUGE ISSUES with his game, but honestly, it’s here I think many completely lose perspective. Completely. The kid is 20 y/o. 6’5, kids that size takes longer to develop. He has grown a lot after getting drafted. Should his issues drop his value down to ZERO? Why? I just don’t get that at all.
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Ideally through the draft. If through trades for our best pieces, let's get players who are young and have longer futures with us. Larsson is 26 already and despite the praise you're giving him, isn't all that special a player imo. I'm not sure how much offense he has in him. He hasn't broken 20 points in almost 5 years, that's not a high ceiling for a d-man with offense. Puljujärvi is a totally different thing than Larsson, his age is right at least. But he's a risk and definitely not one worth moving a Kreider at his absolute peak for.
 
Rangers in 7 said:
pool party, bouchard, and a first......do you do it?
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Everyone here overrates kreider because hes home grown.. Hes basically fully grown at 27 and hes only played 80+ once and hasnt score more than 53..

SELL HIGH
 
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13. CHRIS KREIDER, LW, RANGERS
Age: 27
Cap hit: $4.625 million
Years left: 1
Clause: 11-tream no-trade list
Kreider represents a test for the Rangers. He’s enjoying his best season to date and isn’t finished his prime. But if the Blueshirts are committed to a true rebuild, Kreider might have peaked by the time they’re competitive again. He would be an extremely appealing power-forward addition, a potential Stanley Cup difference-maker, and would thus command a pretty return of picks and/or prospects.
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Yep.

23. KEVIN HAYES, C, RANGERS
Age: 26
Cap hit: $5.175 million
Years left: UFA
A Kreider trade is a tough decision for GM Jeff Gorton. A Hayes trade isn’t. You deal your big pending UFA center to secure futures for your rebuilding team, period. Hayes profiles as an ideal third-line pivot for a top-end contender or a No. 2 on a mid-range threat looking to punch above its weight class in the playoffs.
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That free agent contract will be ugly for the next team.

28. MATS ZUCCARELLO, RW, RANGERS
Age: 31
Cap hit: $4.5 million
Years left: UFA
He’s picked up his play dramatically in recent weeks, but it feels like the Rangers will be moving ‘The Norwegian Hobbit’ a year too late. With his overall numbers way down, he could be one of the deadline’s better bargains.
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Year too late.

Top 30 names to watch approaching the 2019 trade deadline - TheHockeyNews
 
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Vinny DeAngelo said:
Everyone here overrates kreider because hes home grown.. Hes basically fully grown at 27 and hes only played 80+ once and hasnt score more than 53..

SELL HIGH
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It's because what Kreider offers transcends point production.

Compare a Kreider 46 point season to a Galchenyuk 50 point season... they aren't the same. Kreider allows the team to play a whole new battery of schemes that would never be possible without his speed, size, and hands around the net. There are very few players even resembling Kreider's mold around the NHL.
 
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Fitzy said:
It's because what Kreider offers transcends point production.

Compare a Kreider 46 point season to a Galchenyuk 50 point season... they aren't the same. Kreider allows the team to play a whole new battery of schemes that would never be possible without his speed, size, and hands around the net. There are very few players even resembling Kreider's mold around the NHL.
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Ok? Galchenyuk also does things Kreider can't... Kreider's "mold" is what they hoped Poolparty would be. But at the end of the day despite his mold breaking or whatever his production isn't that great
 
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