Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXII

[kinger8998]

It's because what Kreider offers transcends point production.

Compare a Kreider 46 point season to a Galchenyuk 50 point season... they aren't the same. Kreider allows the team to play a whole new battery of schemes that would never be possible without his speed, size, and hands around the net. There are very few players even resembling Kreider's mold around the NHL.

i personally say we keep kreider if hes taking 5 years at 6.5 mill or less. if you cant sign him to that, i do it.

that being said, if were trading him, wed better be getting a 1st, a damn good A prospect, and another prospect with it

 

[Gardner McKay]

pool party, bouchard, and a first......do you do it?

No. I spit in his face and say the price just tripled for that insult (being partially facetious).

Puljujarvi has minimal value to me. Their first with Kreider will be a mid to late first and I'm not high enough on Bouchard to where I could live with him being the center piece of the deal.

 

[Fitzy]

Ok? Galchenyuk also does things Kreider can't... Kreider's "mold" is what they hoped Poolparty would be. But at the end of the day despite his mold breaking or whatever his production isn't that great

It's not amazing.

But Kreider is the kind of player every team wants. He isn't soft, plays the front of the net. He can burn defenders and cause the neutral zone to open up because they have to respect his speed.

Over the past 3 years JT Miller and Zuccarello both outscored Kreider in total points. But there's no doubt in my mind who the most valuable of those three is to a competitive team, even ignoring age differences.

 

[Fitzy]

You trade Kreider and 3 years from now when we have a team of smaller, slower periphery skilled forwards everyone is going to be begging to add a player like him who can do the things less physically imposing players can't.

 

[True Blue]

Everyone here overrates kreider because hes home grown.. Hes basically fully grown at 27 and hes only played 80+ once and hasnt score more than 53.

SELL HIGH

No one overrates him. His combination of power and speed makes him enticing to any team on their top line. He has one of the best net presences in the league and has grown to be a leader. Under Quinn, his game has gone to a new level.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Alright you guys as all of you know since I live in WNY I keep an eye on the Sabres. They are tanking again. They have no real serviceable center after Eichel. Can a deal be done, what would you want from them?

 

[Gardner McKay]

Kreider on Edmonton wouldn't even be fair. Put Kreider and McDavid on the ice together and those two would quite literally skate circles around the opposing teams. If we had to play them, those two would do things do our defense that are illegal in all but one Canadian providence.

I don't think people understand - barring a freak injury Kreider makes Edmonton a sure fire playoff team. Not only that but if those two have a bernmeister-esque synergy and they get half decent goaltending, they may even win a round or two.

It makes the unprotected part of the 1st round pick absolutely worthless.

 

[duhmetreE]

IMO Kreider is the best player the Rangers had since Jagr.

 

[kinger8998]

You trade Kreider and 3 years from now when we have a team of smaller, slower periphery skilled forwards everyone is going to be begging to add a player like him who can do the things less physically imposing players can't.

heres the thing. the only way for me you trade him is if youre getting a prospect back that has the same mold and style and potential (+ more obviously) because once hes gone were gonna want him back when were contending.

does that prospect exist right now?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Puju is a nice player to take a flier on for Zucc.

Not as a primary or secondary piece for kreider.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

IMO Kreider is the best player the Rangers had since Jagr.

Lundqvist, Mcdonagh, Gaborik, and Nash just laughed

 

[Rangers in 7]

Puju is a nice player to take a flier on for Zucc.

Not as a primary or secondary piece for kreider.

so i guess pool party and 2nd for him is something youd consider

obviously you want the first but i dont think they would give it to you

 

[effen]

Change puju to Yamamoto and maybe

Not in 1000 years.

The only guy with Yamamoto's profile who panned out in the last 20 years is Cam Atkinson unless I'm really missing something.

Absent a once in a generation story like MSL who had a lot more sandpaper to him.

 

[Gardner McKay]

heres the thing. the only way for me you trade him is if youre getting a prospect back that has the same mold and style and potential (+ more obviously)....does that exist right now?

I'm sure it does. 10 years ago I could have told you who to target. That was before 70 hour work weeks, marriage and kids. Now I am lucky if I have enough time to follow our own prospects and give you guys some crap every now and then .

A team that has a open window but can't wait for that prospect to develop would absolutely be willing to give him up. Who that team is and what that prospect is, I don't know. Look at Dallas, Minnesota, Nashville, Anaheim, STL, etc. People had pipe dreams about Tolvanen for Nash. Was never going to happen. Tolvanen as a part of a Kreider trade? Now you're talking.

 

[duhmetreE]

Lundqvist, Mcdonagh, Gaborik, and Nash just laughed

I'd take 2019 Kreider over those 3 in their Ranger forms. Should have been more specific and said skater.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

so i guess pool party and 2nd for him is something youd consider

obviously you want the first but i dont think they would give it to you

For sure.

Id laugh my ass off of Puju figured it out here. Edmonton owes us

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Not in 1000 years.

The only guy with Yamamoto's profile who panned out in the last 20 years is Cam Atkinson unless I'm really missing something.

Absent a once in a generation story like MSL who had a lot more sandpaper to him.

Debrincat, gaudreau, Ennis to a lesser extent.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I'd take 2019 Kreider over those 3 in their Ranger forms. Should have been more specific and said skater.

Not to get off topic but McDonagh was a legitimate top 10- 15 defenseman. Kreider has never been a top 15 forward.

 

[Rangers in 7]

For sure.

Id laugh my ass off of Puju figured it out here. Edmonton owes us

for me players like him are what we need to target, the potential is all there.....he reminds me of scheifele, who took a few years to marinate as well

 

[Rangers in 7]

I'd take 2019 Kreider over those 3 in their Ranger forms. Should have been more specific and said skater.

mac was a top 10 dmen in this league for us, not even close to kreider who is a great player but not a top player

 

[effen]

Debrincat, gaudreau, Ennis to a lesser extent.

You're right, had no idea ADB was that small.
I'd still rather have the P guy though, can probably always make him into Benoit Pouliot who's at least useful.

Maybe I have Spooner Shock Syndrome.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You're right, had no idea ADB was that small.
I'd still rather have the P guy though, can probably always make him into Benoit Pouliot who's at least useful.

Maybe I have Spooner Shock Syndrome.

Don’t see similarities between spooner and Yamamoto.

Kailer has the motor that Spooner was missing. Do agree that Puju has the tool kit to become a useful middle sixer if the light doesn’t go on.

But I kind of feel like that’s the best we could realistically hope from him.

 

[I Eat Crow]

IMO Kreider is the best player the Rangers had since Jagr.

Among the hot takes here....come on man.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I'm sure it does. 10 years ago I could have told you who to target. That was before 70 hour work weeks, marriage and kids. Now I am lucky if I have enough time to follow our own prospects and give you guys some crap every now and then .

A team that has a open window but can't wait for that prospect to develop would absolutely be willing to give him up. Who that team is and what that prospect is, I don't know. Look at Dallas, Minnesota, Nashville, Anaheim, STL, etc. People had pipe dreams about Tolvanen for Nash. Was never going to happen. Tolvanen as a part of a Kreider trade? Now you're talking.

@Edge and I have discussed this (as have others). I'm sure the Rangers are open to listening on Kreider, but, the thought is, it's going to cost the other team looking to acquire him. He's an impact player, as opposed to an elite player. He's a player whose line is immediately better when he's on it. My price is a top prospect - Glass, Tolvanen, Kaut, Borgstrom - for example - another quality prospect and an unprotected first. Or a quality prospect and two unprotected firsts. Otherwise, I'm signing him to a 6 year deal in the area of $7 million per. You can't win if Kreider is your best player, but if the current version is your 3rd or 4th you can.

 

[Ghost of jas]

IMO Kreider is the best player the Rangers had since Jagr.

I love Kreider but this isn't true.