Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXII

[Thirty One]

Agree with Buch. What’s a good deal for Vesey and Names though? A 3rd and a meh prospect that might become as good as them? I think their value here as warm bodies will better than their potential return.

A warm body is pretty easy to find.

 

[True Blue]

I don't think Quinn is demanding perfection, and I think his willingness to live with growing pains on the ice is well documented in what we've observed this season. I think he's asking to see some specific things with ADA that he hasn't consistently shown him yet in practice, meetings, or games.

I basically said as much in the ADA thread. Look at Quinn's post game conference last night. He stated pretty clearly that essentially DeAngelo knows what he needs to do in order to stay in the lineup. Whether he does it or not, is up to him. The results of whether he does it or not are black and white and will determine if he continues to play or not.

 

[Matz03]

TBH the only thing I'd trade Hayes for is OTT's 1st. No other package is worth it IMO

Panarin nearly a point per game player at ES this year... Would look good with Hayes... just sayin

Kreider Zib
Panarin Hayes

Fill in Chytil, Kravstov, Buch, top pick and/or Zucc where appropriate

We're not good enough even with Hayes & Panarin to compete with the top 3-4-5 teams in the league. So what's the point in putting a band-aid on the rebuild to maybe be a bubble team? Hayes will be a solid player these next few years, no doubt, but years 3 or 4+ of a new deal the odds are he'll be declining. You get a haul for him now, even if's it just multiple pieces and not a lottery pick. There will be a better player than Hayes available after the first round, there almost always is, the question is valid if Clark is smart enough to find and draft that player but you still give him that chance. His age the timing of the rebuild just do not align.

 

[SA16]

If the Rangers are going to trade Kreider it needs to be another Brassard for Zibanejad type trade. Think Kreider to Boston for Pastrnak and a 2nd. Are they looking to get bigger and stronger?

 

[mulli25]

I disagree. Late 1sts will just give us more of the same

Even if it eventually ends up as "more of the same" on an ELC, that's a pretty big win.

 

[Thirty One]

If the Rangers are going to trade Kreider it needs to be another Brassard for Zibanejad type trade. Think Kreider to Boston for Pastrnak and a 2nd. Are they looking to get bigger and stronger?

Wait, what?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Glad I’m not you.

That would be interesting.

 

[TheBPA]

If the Rangers are going to trade Kreider it needs to be another Brassard for Zibanejad type trade. Think Kreider to Boston for Pastrnak and a 2nd. Are they looking to get bigger and stronger?

Perhaps McDavid...similar straight line speed, but Kreider will bring that extra edge that Chiarelli loves.

 

[Tawnos]

Wait, what?

I was thinking the same thing.

Brassard to Zibanejad is nothing like Kreider to Pastrnak.

 

[SA16]

Wait, what?

They brought in Backes for leadership and size. It's not working out and he's a healthy scratch today. Kreider can provide what Backes was supposed to along with much more.

 

[Off Sides]

I still think Hayes as a rental, could be that teams 1st, plus conditional stuff if he extends there or if they do well in playoffs, and some prospect that is kind of equivalent to Howden, Hajek, Lindgren.

Plus Rangers take back some amount of Spooner, Beleskey stuff, which in my opinion may be the key toward getting that sort of return. Maybe a Vesey or similar has to go the other way too?

If they pick a Chyil or move up to get a Miller, have something conditional, plus add some middle 6F 4D prospect, I think that is good value.

More so, that stuff added to the Rangers own pick (maybe another Kravtsov like potential), maybe Tampa's 1st if they win, plus whatever else they can scrounge out of the other sales...

All added to what they already sold for and drafted on their own last couple years, it at the very least is giving themselves a pretty stacked prospect pool even if it may be missing out on the highest of ceiling stuff.

Then lottery luck and faith they can draft better than where their draft slots usually produce (Pastrnak, Barzal) comes into play for the top ceiling stuff.

And if not, eventually trade some of that glut of good for Nash part 2 and sign Richards part 2 and be able to hopefully support them with a better cast from all that remains.

 

[Crease]

Pastrnak is already twice the player Kreider is. That is not a Brassard for Zibanejad opportunity.

 

[Inferno]

If the sharks offer their next 5 firsts but that's like 2 years out...would you make that trade?

 

[Thirty One]

They brought in Backes for leadership and size. It's not working out and he's a healthy scratch today. Kreider can provide what Backes was supposed to along with much more.

Yeah, I don't doubt they'd like to bring some size, but I think Pastrnak has made some progression in the last few years that you might have missed. Value-wise that's not even close.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

If the Rangers are going to trade Kreider it needs to be another Brassard for Zibanejad type trade. Think Kreider to Boston for Pastrnak and a 2nd. Are they looking to get bigger and stronger?

Pastrnak is one of the best players in the world. We could offer Kreider ++++ and it wouldn’t fly.

Pastrnak put up 70p as a 20 year old and followed that up with 80 points last season. He has 54 in 46 this season. He signed an impossibility friendly extension of 6.66m over the next 6 seasons.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

A warm body is pretty easy to find.

So what would you move them for?

 

[Lundy HOF]

If the Rangers are going to trade Kreider it needs to be another Brassard for Zibanejad type trade. Think Kreider to Boston for Pastrnak and a 2nd. Are they looking to get bigger and stronger?

Pasta is already better than CK?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Quote by Brooks:

Well I don`t have patience I admit that, but it looks like Brooks is concerned with the amount of talents and prospects NYR are drafting in the recent years who don`t live up to their expectations, and most of the prospects are all drafted - we have very few players outside of the whole drafting system.

So my question is what is wrong with the New York Rangers Franchise; is`t a scouting issue, a GM issue, a development staff issue, and some staff members who are not doing a good enough job, or not good enough qualified, a coaching staff issue? Ruff seldom get mentioned, but our defense the recent years with him in charge has looked horrible, but in Ruff defense our defender prospects turn out to be mediocre at best, and too often not very good like Brady Skjei after he signed that 5 mil + $ contract.

Nothing wrong with the organization, the fans and writers have no patience for a rebuild. This takes like 3-5 years to do. We are in year one.

 

[SA16]

Is he the type of player you win with in the playoffs though?

 

[East Coast Bias]

Wait, what?

He's in character.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Also I'm nervous about Puuijarvi, is he the next Ryan Strome? I feel he might be but who knows, he has literally done nothing so far.

 

[Thirty One]

So what would you move them for?

I don't know. But if their main value to us is that they (1) own a body and (2) are warm, then the bar shouldn't be too high. I am now considering that I'm maybe not disagreeing with your point, just the phrase you used to make it.

 

[Crease]

Nothing wrong with the organization, the fans and writers have no patience for a rebuild. This takes like 3-5 years to do. We are in year one.

Uncle Larry needs to stick to publishing rumors. "Can't fault the Rangers for not having a lottery pick, but wouldn't it be nice if a non-lottery pick surprised us?" Meanwhile, Chytil has beat most of his draft class to the NHL and the Rangers' 2014 fourth round pick is the best goaltender in Europe. Stupid, pointless article.

 

[Thirty One]

Is he the type of player you win with in the playoffs though?

Elite forwards? I believe so, yes.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I don't know. But if their main value to us is that they (1) own a body and (2) are warm, then the bar shouldn't be too high. I am now considering that I'm maybe not disagreeing with your point, just the phrase you used to make it.

How about:

Bodies of Fuego..?