Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI

[BringBackLibertys]

I have some hope that Gorton can pull something off with Smith or Shattenkirk, or maybe something bigger for Skjei. Something has to give on D, we need to clear a space or two for next season.

Trade McQuaid at the deadline, Claesson rights for a later pick at the draft (or a pick at the deadline), and bury Smith, there is one spot. I don't like the idea of forcing the kids to come up, they may or may not be ready. If they are, we find a way to get them up (by trade or demotion or even long term injury).

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I see Buchnevich as a summer move if he gets dealt at all. If he does go, he'll go in a package with someone else for a better return. It's really hard for me to gauge what his trade value would be by himself. I'm not so sure he's worth very much. The Rangers would be better served seeing if he can (still) turn it around.

I get the feeling they arent done with him yet. If they were I believe they would be propping his value up by playing him with kreider and Zibanajad.

 

[Avery16]

Trade McQuaid at the deadline, Claesson rights for a later pick at the draft (or a pick at the deadline), and bury Smith, there is one spot. I don't like the idea of forcing the kids to come up, they may or may not be ready. If they are, we find a way to get them up (by trade or demotion or even long term injury).

I'd keep Claesson as a filler. He's cheap and effective. I worry that whether or not Hayek or Lindgren is ready next season, Staal, Skjei, Smith will be too much of a consideration in them getting a shot. Move one of Staal and Smith if theres anyone interested at all, Claesson is still there if we need a filler. If someone's ready, he can be #7.

If anyone is interested at all in Shattenkirk with no money retained, do it. We'll be not much worse with ADA/Pionk/Gilmour etc and at least both Pionk and ADA will get regular minutes, PP minutes.

 

[I Eat Crow]

If the Panthers had any balls they would make the double swoop for Panarin and Bobrovsky this July 1st. Luongo is too old. Florida needs to start making the playoffs or their ownership is going to have another hissy fit. Their ownership is who got them in this mess in the first place.

I look at what the Rangers did this past decade and I understand most of what they done (the Eric Staal trade is the most egregious), but I go to sleep at night knowing that they went for it between 2012-16, but now it's time to pay the bill. Our GM is making the right calls to rebuild the team back into contention for the most part.

I look at what other teams have done and thank my lucky stars that my team didn't do what they did.

Florida trading away two top 6 forwards to protect Petrovic (whom they just traded away for peanuts, by the way) in the expansion draft.

Montreal trading Subban for an absolute anchor in Shea Weber and giving Price an absolutely ridiculous extension.

Edmonton for just being Edmonton. Lucking into McDavid but trading the pick that turned into Barzal and Hall for a top 4 defenseman. How many seasons of no playoffs before McDavid asks for a trade?

Anaheim for tying up so much money into an aging core. They're going to be a lottery team in a couple years. No Cup Finals appearances to show for it.

Carolina prospect hugging and not investing in forwards that can put the puck in the net. 10 years of no playoffs for them and pressure from their owner to contend sooner rather than later. They're ripe for the picking. Waddell as GM and pressure from ownership to start winning. The Rangers can be in a position to really rip them off.

Ottawa just for being a dumpster fire. I can't believe the Rangers lost to this team in the playoffs two years ago. Erik Karlsson on one leg brought that team within a game of a Cup Final. It shows how special of a player he is.

NJ for lucking out in the lottery once but failing to build a competent core of players. They drafted high a few times before Hischier but whiffed. Makes me smile as a Rangers fan.

I sleep at night thanking whatever diety actually exists that at least we're not one of those teams.

 

[GAGLine]

Hayes, Zucc and McQuaid will go

Maybe someone like Smith if the right deal comes up

But everyone else will probably stay. I like Namestnikov I think they should keep him for the time being. He’s probably more valuable here than elsewhere

I think you're right, and they are the only ones that HAVE to go because they are all pending UFAs, so Gorton will get what he can for them. It's very possible that some other pieces are moved at the draft or after July 1st.

Looking ahead to 2020, we may have an opportunity to trade any or all of Shattenkirk, Staal and Smith after July 1st (assuming that's when their signing bonuses get paid). Shattenkirk has a 2 mil signing bonus and 2 mil in base salary in the final year of his deal. His limited NTC could be a problem, but cap floor teams will like getting a 6.65 mil cap hit and only paying 2 mil in actual dollars. Staal is in a similar situation, though the savings aren't as good and he has the NMC. His base salary in 2020 is 3.2 mil against a cap hit of 5.7 mil. Smith has a limited NTC and a 2.35 mil base salary with a 4.35 mil cap hit in 2020.

Worst case scenario is they all play out their contracts and then walk after the 2020-21 season. By that time, or preferably before then, we need to identify the players who are going to replace them. We have a lot of defensive prospects, but no idea how good those players will actually be. There's still a lot of work to do there. I know everyone is gunning for Hughes or Kakko, but I wouldn't be at all upset if we came out of the draft with Byram and Seider. We'll probably be worse next year than we are this year, so we'll have a good chance at a top 5 pick and a high impact forward. A future top 4 of Miller, Byram, Seider and Lundkvist would be pretty nice. Add in Keane and Hajek and we've got the makings of a very strong defense.

 

[Fitzy]

So we estimated deadline sell prices last season, with some variation.

I think we got more for Nash than expected, maybe a little less for Holden (I was hoping for a 2nd). Grabner depends on how you figure Rykov's value stacks up.

For this year, assuming we sell everyone...

Zuccarello I'd say is in 1st or 2nd+Rykov level value territory. Increase if he can turn this season around statistically.
My preference is to extend Hayes, but if we sell him, I'd expect a good return. Nash level territory. I think the team trading for Hayes will be intending to lock him up to a contract.
McQuaid isn't very good, as we all know. But his playoff reputation might get us a 3rd for him.
Claesson is, in my opinion, not holding any trade value. He's in and out of the lineup on one of the worst 3 defensive groups in the league. I can't imagine a competitive team seeing him fit into their roster.

The guys not expiring this year are obvious question marks. BBK has hinted at some unorthodox moves. But if we get fair value and TBL win the cup NYR could have a year of 4 first round draft picks. More realistically, 3+2+2

 

[Trxjw]

IMO, those are reasons that Sakic should be active this deadline. As long as he isn't giving up those 2 chips, he can afford to trade other futures for immediate help.

I agree that he should be active but I don't see him as that kind of GM. Maybe he makes a move for a guy with some term, or a younger player who is still a RFA, but I don't see him being a player in the rental market.

 

[pld459666]

I'm not expecting a fire sale. Hayes and Zucc will go. Maybe a smaller piece like McQuaid too. But that's it. I don't see the Rangers trading Kreider, Zibanejad, Skjei, Shattenkirk, Vesey, etc.

Of the latter group, I dont anticipate it, but if right offer presents itself, they should not be off the table

 

[SA16]

McQuaid being “worth” a third and Claesson having no value tells you everything that’s wrong with this league. Claesson is a much better player.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

McQuaid being “worth” a third and Claesson having no value tells you everything that’s wrong with this league. Claesson is a much better player.

This is also why I don't understand the overreaction to that deal by Gorton. He knows that the league overvalues players like McQ. He paid a fair price so that he could work him up to the deadline when some desperate team will pay a better price. It won't be a Nash-level fleecing but we could see a very fair deal for him in the 11th hour. That is a player I do not expect moved until the actual deadline. If we deal anyone in the weeks leading up to the deadline I would expect it to be Names/Zucc/Fast. I think that Hayes and McQuaid and maybe another Dman will be last minute deals.

 

[Trxjw]

I could easily see Buchnevich getting moved at the deadline. He's on an ELC and a team like Edmonton who is desperate for scoring wingers and has major cap issues would probably love to add him for the right price.

Jesper Fast is a perfect deadline acquisition. Inexpensive forward depth who has another year on his deal. Teams always want to improve special teams heading down the stretch.

Kreider has to be in play, but only for a premium return.

Zibanejad is probably a draft day deal if he goes at all. I still think he's a building block unless he can fetch something absurd or be used in a package to get an elite player from a team who has cap issues looming and the need for a 2nd line center. Looking at you, Winnipeg.

 

[NYRFAN218]

Hayes - 1st plus very good prospect (3rd to 5th in a teams rankings though could vary depending on where the first rounder is and how good the prospect is)
Zuccarello - Grabner package (a 2nd rounder and a decent prospect)
McQuaid - Holden package (3rd rounder and a warm body)
Claesson - Depending on how team's value him, I could see a team giving us a 3rd if they really need D help. But considering it's a buyer's market, I don't really see it. And given he's an RFA, I wouldn't deal him for a 4th or less and would just rather sign him again given how well he's played here.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I don't see us trading Zibby or even considering it unless we win the lottery and get Jack Hughes.

 

[Leetch3]

Is it a foregone conclusion that we are making a deal(s) after January 19th? Would 0-4 through next weekend encourage that trade? Nothing would surprise me - could see a bigger deal involving Buchnevich. Something off the map.

our record has nothing to do with it. the decision to sell was made 18 months ago that we'd be sellers. deals will happen between whenever JG gets the offer he is looking for at the trade deadline. he isn't going to just settle for the best offer until the last minute for the sake of getting the deal done

 

[SA16]

This is also why I don't understand the overreaction to that deal by Gorton. He knows that the league overvalues players like McQ. He paid a fair price so that he could work him up to the deadline when some desperate team will pay a better price. It won't be a Nash-level fleecing but we could see a very fair deal for him in the 11th hour. That is a player I do not expect moved until the actual deadline. If we deal anyone in the weeks leading up to the deadline I would expect it to be Names/Zucc/Fast. I think that Hayes and McQuaid and maybe another Dman will be last minute deals.

Because the increase in value they would get from trading what was expected to be an early 4th and then acquiring a late 3rd (which I'm dubious they can even get) is not worth being forced to play him over some of the younger guys. I would not even trade a 7th for him if I were the GM of a playoff contender.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Draft day deal. Zbad, Skjei ($10.6MM) for Marner. Leafs get 2 very good players at the cost of what Marner will likely command. Zbad is signed for 3 more years Skjei 5 more after this season.

 

[GAGLine]

Draft day deal. Zbad, Skjei ($10.6MM) for Marner. Leafs get 2 very good players at the cost of what Marner will likely command. Zbad is signed for 3 more years Skjei 5 more after this season.

I think they would want Kreider over Zbad, as they already have Tavares, Matthews and Kadri down the middle. But that is a deal I would do.

 

[NewLife]

I don't see us trading Zibby or even considering it unless we win the lottery and get Jack Hughes.

Would be a bad idea, if we luck ourself to Hughes and trading Zib. He would come here with immense expertation while having no supporting cast with some NHL experience.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Would be a bad idea, if we luck ourself to Hughes and trading Zib. He would come here with immense expertation while having no supporting cast with some NHL experience.

I don't disagree, as talented as Jack Hughes is, if we trade Kevin Hayes i think it solidifies Zibby's future with the team. The only thing Hughes changes is Zib becomes the 2C in 2 years.

 

[Avery16]

Kreider as part of a return for one of Marner/Matthews/Nylander is the only worthwhile Kreider move I’ve heard proposed.

 

[Lundy HOF]

I don't see us trading Zibby or even considering it unless we win the lottery and get Jack Hughes.

Honestly, if we win the Hughes sweepstakes, I see even less of a reason to trade Zib. I think he can be a 2C on a contender.

 

[Avery16]

Vesey/Zibanejad/Kravstov
Names/TorontoC/Buchnevich
Chytil/Howden/Strome
Andersson/Nieves/Fast

Beleskey
Lettieri

This is ok.

 

[SA16]

Of course the Rangers would do those trades for Marner as they are both rip offs.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Kreider as part of a return for one of Marner/Matthews/Nylander is the only worthwhile Kreider move I’ve heard proposed.

It's also exceedingly unrealistic to think that Toronto will even consider moving one of AM34 or Marner. I could see Nylander, although I still have my doubts, but there's absolutely no chance they deal two of the best young talents in the league, especially when they're only 21 years old.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Matthews, Marner, and Nylander just aren't going to fit under the cap with Tavares still on the books. One needs to be dealt. Matthews and Marner are both getting at least $10 million/season.