Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI

[E-Train]

Panarin with another GWG tonight. Two games in a row...

Hope he makes it 3 in a row.

 

[bobbop]

We hear the same story right now, 6 weeks from the trade deadline, every season.

"There are more sellers than buyers and teams are unwilling to pay seller prices."

I'm certain front office personnel of teams in the playoffs mention this to sellers and the likes of Elliotte Friedman, Dreger, and McKenzie. Ultimately, these guys usually wind up paying the high price for a piece that could put them over the top for a shot at winning the Cup.

Well the “guy” who told me works for a Western Division team.

 

[Guyute]

Well the “guy” who told me works for a Western Division team.

A buyer or the Yotes? Because a buyer is doing all they can to drive down prices right now.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

You could read it as we sign every big bad contract available. I don't think thats realistic of any team in the Cap.

You could also read it as every big contract we hand out to a UFA is based off their success with another team and is subsequently a bust for us. I think this was the intended reading, and accurate.

Shattenkirk is an elite support player. When he's your best defenseman, you're going to be disappointed with him in that role

 

[bobbop]

A buyer or the Yotes? Because a buyer is doing all they can to drive down prices right now.

Not the Yotes

 

[bobbop]

A forward group with improved puck possession would make the defense look a hell of a lot better.

 

[haohmaru]

Hope he makes it 3 in a row.

I see what you did there

 

[haohmaru]

I talked to an NHL friend from the west today and he told me not to expect a killing at the trade deadline. He thinks the market is shaping up as having more sellers than buyers this year. Expects some of the teams on the outskirts of the playoff race will trade secondary pieces to get into the playoffs but he sees only five teams in the west with a legitimate shot at coming out of the conference. Would be shocked if Colorado makes a big move.

Bad news for us - if the return isn't right then signing Hayes might be the better alternative.

Zooks will draw enough interest to trade. I have my doubts about any other pieces, save for maybe Namestnikov, bringing back a whole lot - ie... McQuaid, the untradeable Staal, Smith, etc... I'm not sure how much any of those guys really helps a team in contention. Going to be interesting for sure.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Hayes, Zucc and McQuaid will go

Maybe someone like Smith if the right deal comes up

But everyone else will probably stay. I like Namestnikov I think they should keep him for the time being. He’s probably more valuable here than elsewhere

 

[Good Intentions]

Shattenkirk is an elite support player. When he's your best defenseman, you're going to be disappointed with him in that role

Elite support player? Based on? I think Shattenkirk is doing his best to keep it simple and play within his limitations. He’s closer to fringe than ‘elite supporting player’

 

[pld459666]

With Panarin, for me, I think the fact that the miles on his legs being so limited leads me to think that the drop off for him will be later than a same aged player that played his whole career in NA.

This is just the 4th year where hes playing 80+ games. I think that's important and should not be overlooked

 

[pld459666]

There are 8 teams in the west within 6-7 points of the wildcard spots.

Just 4 in the east.

That's 4-12 teams that are either looking to maintain their positions, or attempting to make up a small difference

I think the buyers/sellers are still developing and we have a full month before that picture is more clear

 

[Mikos87]

There are definitely more sellers in the west than buyers. The east is going to load up.

 

[Mikos87]

There are 8 teams in the west within 6-7 points of the wildcard spots.

Just 4 in the east.

That's 4-12 teams that are either looking to maintain their positions, or attempting to make up a small difference

I think the buyers/sellers are still developing and we have a full month before that picture is more clear

True, and the week before the TDL there will be a go, no go.

From what I heard there's 5 teams in the west looking to acquire, 9 in the east, with 4 in the east who will spend quite a bit.

 

[Mikos87]

A buyer or the Yotes? Because a buyer is doing all they can to drive down prices right now.

Not if other buyers are going to drive the price up.

There's a player out there right now whose in the McDonagh situation, two playoff runs, with a big raise due afterwards.

His team has a very high price tag on him, and there are multiple suitors.

In the east, there are teams looking to neutralize the Tom Wilson factor. In other words, they feel what Wilson did in last years playoffs made a major impact.

So expect Wayne Simmonds to get a high price. McQuaid might fetch a pretty penny to sit in the box. But Simmonds moreso.

 

[DutchShamrock]

In addition to the bubble teams, I expect Boston to load up. They have a few key players that have an expiration date quickly approaching. Tampa will acquire, probably a depth defenseman.

Washington and Pittsburgh are similar to Boston, aging core.

Look, we have 1 big ticket item that has this TDL as the do or die date. It'll be a Vegas, Winnipeg, Boston, Nashville making a bold push for a Hayes level move. Beyond that, we are loaded with the depth acquisitions. Not huge returns, but the fact that 20 or so teams are in the thick of it and the relatively low cost of a Zuccarello or McQuaid type, someone will overpay. We are going to get a few prospects that are really good but expendable within their organization.

 

[Good Intentions]

Is it a foregone conclusion that we are making a deal(s) after January 19th? Would 0-4 through next weekend encourage that trade? Nothing would surprise me - could see a bigger deal involving Buchnevich. Something off the map.

 

[Mikos87]

Is it a foregone conclusion that we are making a deal(s) after January 19th? Would 0-4 through next weekend encourage that trade? Nothing would surprise me - could see a bigger deal involving Buchnevich. Something off the map.

I don't see Buch being attractive to a contender. All of those teams are looking for guys that can slot in a role that they need to shore up. In other words, a known quantity, and a reliable one at that is what's going to fetch a trade.

Inconsistent players, who have yet to prove that they can fill a role isn't going to do it. But that's from the perspective of a contender.

You might see a hockey deal. For example, Sprong for Pettersson has worked out great for both teams. Pettersson is another d-man from ANA that's gone elsewhere and played really well. The guy stabilized Jack Johnson, and that's saying something, because the Pens have been on a tear since then.

If/when Shultz is back, the Pens are going to be very deep on the back-end.

 

[Avery16]

Excited and impatient to see what this team will look like by TDL.

 

[GAGLine]

I think Colorado is a perfect fit for Hayes but I just have a feeling Sakic is going to use the Ottawa pick and Makar as an excuse to hold pat at the deadline. Almost laughable to waste the season that MacKinnon and Rantanen are having, but that's the reality of things there. They're a one line team and can't compete with the elite teams in the NHL night after night.

Dallas is the team I'm starting to keep an eye on.

IMO, those are reasons that Sakic should be active this deadline. As long as he isn't giving up those 2 chips, he can afford to trade other futures for immediate help.

 

[Crease]

I'm not expecting a fire sale. Hayes and Zucc will go. Maybe a smaller piece like McQuaid too. But that's it. I don't see the Rangers trading Kreider, Zibanejad, Skjei, Shattenkirk, Vesey, etc.

 

[Avery16]

I'm not expecting a fire sale. Hayes and Zucc will go. Maybe a smaller piece like McQuaid too. But that's it. I don't see the Rangers trading Kreider, Zibanejad, Skjei, Shattenkirk, Vesey, etc.

I have some hope that Gorton can pull something off with Smith or Shattenkirk, or maybe something bigger for Skjei. Something has to give on D, we need to clear a space or two for next season.

 

[Vitto79]

Bad news for us - if the return isn't right then signing Hayes might be the better alternative.

Zooks will draw enough interest to trade. I have my doubts about any other pieces, save for maybe Namestnikov, bringing back a whole lot - ie... McQuaid, the untradeable Staal, Smith, etc... I'm not sure how much any of those guys really helps a team in contention. Going to be interesting for sure.

Nick Holden went for a 3rd. McQuaid will too

Lucky if Staal or Smith get moved at 50 off. They are fillers till kids are done developing anyway

Zuc will be Atleast a 2nd plus prospect

Hayes will be a 1 plus prospect plus maybe another pick

Vesey and Namestnikov move if they get enough and if not wait till next year

 

[I Eat Crow]

I see Buchnevich as a summer move if he gets dealt at all. If he does go, he'll go in a package with someone else for a better return. It's really hard for me to gauge what his trade value would be by himself. I'm not so sure he's worth very much. The Rangers would be better served seeing if he can (still) turn it around.

 

[Avery16]

GARRIOCH SUNDAY: We haven’t heard the last of Bobrovsky and the Blue Jackets saga

Of course, Bobrovksy isn’t the Jackets’ only UFA. The club also has to deal with forward Artemi Panarin. Neither player has shown much inclination to sign with the club, and there is no shortage of talk of where they may end up. You have to wonder if they’re a package deal if Panarin and Bobrovksy may end up in Florida. That rumour is out there. An interesting situation to watch./QUOTE]