Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI

[NYR Viper]

2.5 out of 4 boys, but very solid.

Team regretting the contracts- it's more about structure rather than anything else. EG: Insurance related issues, and signing bonuses.

Ferland is a good bet, but marginal player is a defenseman. Culture change team is one that's been wanting one for a long time. Lifetstyle for the players are very comfortable.

Still the biggest finding for me is how the season has unfolded. I was concerned that there wasn't going to be a strong buyers market for the Rangers who are rebuilding, but that's not going to be the case.

The earlier the trades start the better, in other words, on the week of the TDL, start early, move the market early so you aren't left out cold on some guys, but hold on to the higher value assets till there is a bidding war, or your price is met.

Is that first team with contract issues Dallas?

 

[Waivers]

Be ballsy and get both of them.

If our blue line was squared away with certainty I would agree.

 

[apoptygma]

A cup calibre team needs a good defence. We all agree that the current NYR defence is anything ten good. We can't compete until that is fixed.
When will our D be ready to compete?
When looking at Capfriendly I can't see it beeing ready for a couple of years atleast. Upgrading our forwards at this time might get us into the playoff, but I can't see us being a treath to anyone.
We will just end up as the Devils next year if we even get in, and if we dpn't, we will just get a pick in the range of 10-15.
Panarin will most likly be a much better FA signing then most UFA, but the time is not right yet. I think the NYR brass see us competing from 21-22 and onwards. Then all of Staal, Smith and Shattenkirk will be off the books,
and SKjei, Deangelo, Hajek++ should be ready to procide the core of a new D.

 

[Avery16]

 

[LeetchisGod]

Is Panarin really in the same class of players as Tavares, or a Crosby/McDavid? I don't know that he's established that. I wouldn't want to commit a cap-choking hit for the better part of a decade to any player outside of that class.

I'm very leery of Panarin. The Hawks went nowhere in the playoffs with him and we don't have anything close to Kane or Toews to play with him. The Jackets have gone nowhere with him as their top forward. Why would we be any different?

 

[Avery16]

I'm very leery of Panarin. The Hawks went nowhere in the playoffs with him and we don't have anything close to Kane or Toews to play with him. The Jackets have gone nowhere with him as their top forward. Why would we be any different?

I think its pretty fitting that in the week of Nash's retirement and the ensuing convo on this thread, we are also talking about committing 9 million or more for almost a decade to a 27-year-old player who hasn't accomplished anything in this league other than put up PPG numbers for three-and-a-half seasons.

 

[Richard Banger]

I think its pretty fitting that in the week of Nash's retirement and the ensuing convo on this thread, we are also talking about committing 9 million or more for almost a decade to a 27-year-old player who hasn't accomplished anything in this league other than put up PPG numbers for three-and-a-half seasons.

Right because who needs a player that's a threat every game. We'll just suck and draft a player that has the POTENTIAL to be that player instead of getting the player who has reached his potential.

 

[Irishguy42]

I'm very leery of Panarin. The Hawks went nowhere in the playoffs with him and we don't have anything close to Kane or Toews to play with him. The Jackets have gone nowhere with him as their top forward. Why would we be any different?

I think its pretty fitting that in the week of Nash's retirement and the ensuing convo on this thread, we are also talking about committing 9 million or more for almost a decade to a 27-year-old player who hasn't accomplished anything in this league other than put up PPG numbers for three-and-a-half seasons.

 

[Avery16]

Right because who needs a player that's a threat every game. We'll just suck and draft a player that has the POTENTIAL to be that player instead of getting the player who has reached his potential.

Like a lot of people have said here, we need to fix our defense corps or we'll go nowhere. We also need great scoring depth or we'll also go nowhere. You can't do these things with cap hits like Panarin's, especially if Panarin stops producing after a few seasons like Nash did and also has a NMC, which he probably will.

 

[Richard Banger]

That is the part where there is disagreement. He costs you probably the most valuable commodity in the NHL. A chance to draft in the top 5.

Hahahaha your delusional if him alone gets us out of a top 5-15 pick.

You sign panarin for the seasons after next.

Have a player like him is exactly what we need.

Kravtsov Chytil Anderson Howden Zbad Kreider Panarin.

That's not including what we get this year with our top pick and trades.

This season is our rock bottom. This will definitely be out highest draft pick. Next year I think we look good and miss the playoffs. Make a few more moves and then we are ready to start pushing for contention.

So again. Sign panarin for the future seasons.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

You guys are bad at evaluating players

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Depending on what comes back at the deadline, we're looking at 7-8 1st round draft picks in 3 years.

My concern here is that we're going to flood our team with good players. We had a team of good players from 2005~2017. This team should be trying to draft elite franchise players, and those guys are usually found in the top-5.

Despite all the players Gorton has acquired and drafted, there are no guaranteed studs. Chytil? Kravtsov? Shesty? Miller? Those are the only 4 of them with that kind of potential. Chytil is looking more and more like a complimentary winger. Shesty isn't going to score. Kravtsov and Miller are the only two. Miller is still a few years away and he's incredibly raw.

Even if we pick in the top-5 this draft, I still think we need to maintain the course of building from within before looking at free agency. Look for mercenaries when the roster is pretty set and you have holes to fill.

With or without Panarin, our D is a dumpster fire. I'd rather not see us sign him to a 10m contract and watch him steal points for us over the next few season's while we reassemble our D. There will be other options besides Panarin between now and 2022.

 

[Richard Banger]

Like a lot of people have said here, we need to fix our defense corps or we'll go nowhere. We also need great scoring depth or we'll also go nowhere. You can't do these things with cap hits like Panarin's, especially if Panarin stops producing after a few seasons like Nash did and also has a NMC, which he probably will.

Right because every player is the same? Panarin and Nash play completely different styles.

And I have confidence that this draft will help solidify our future D core.

The D will be the last thing fixed because it takes the longest.... fix the forwards then fix the D. We are already set at G.

I wouldn't be surprised if we looked a bit like the leafs. Great forwards with decent Dcore.

 

[Avery16]

Panarin and Bobrovsky rumored to be interested in a move to a Florida team. Let TB trade for him so we can get our extra 1st rounder this season and then we can pluck off their young talent in cap deals they're forced into as they choke to death over the next seven seasons.

 

[Dijock94]

Right because who needs a player that's a threat every game. We'll just suck and draft a player that has the POTENTIAL to be that player instead of getting the player who has reached his potential.

Yea we just always do this, sign these guys to their biggest contracts after they played their prime years for someone else.

 

[Avery16]

Right because every player is the same? Panarin and Nash play completely different styles.

And I have confidence that this draft will help solidify our future D core.

The D will be the last thing fixed because it takes the longest.... fix the forwards then fix the D. We are already set at G.

I wouldn't be surprised if we looked a bit like the leads. Great forwards with decent Dcore.

The cap is blind to playing styles. Maybe Panarin will age better than Nash, but we don't know that. Concussions can take down anyone at any pace. The one certainty with a multi-year 9 million hit is that our success will rise and fall on Panarin's ability and whim. I'm not willing to bet the next decade on that.

 

[Profet]

The D will be the last thing fixed because it takes the longest.... fix the forwards then fix the D. We are already set at G.

This logic is backwards.

 

[Richard Banger]

Yea we just always do this, sign these guys to their biggest contracts after they played their prime years for someone else.

We don't always do that.

The last time we signed a big free agent Callahan was our Captain.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I can't help but feel like there is a "can't see the forest for the trees" thing going on when people talk about top 5 picks. We discussed it a little bit ago with the kings. It's not necessarily a case of acquire x number of top 5 picks and cup chances increase dramatically.

If you look at the bigger picture, you will see a large number of overall picks. There is a larger quantity of picks because they are rebuilding, hence the top 5 selections.

If it was cut and dry, the kings and Bruins don't win because they missed on their top 5. Meanwhile Edmonton has its second dynasty. Tampa is on the verge but we see what their later picks are accomplishing, kind of the best of both worlds but no cups yet.

The point is, the key is following the script to an extent. Accumulate picks, develop prospects, be smart with the cap. Be opportunistic which includes hitting a few high picks but using the mass of picks to find your Keiths, Bergerons, Kopitars, Marchands, Lucics, Letangs.

 

[Richard Banger]

This logic is backwards.

How is it backwards? Defenseman take longer to develop. That's why it will be the last thing fixed. Forwards can step in at age 19 and start contributing. Its extremely rare to see a Dman do that.

 

[Avery16]

We don't always do that.

The last time we signed a big free agent Callahan was our Captain.

We signed Shattenkirk a year and a half ago.

 

[Dijock94]

We don't always do that.

The last time we signed a big free agent Callahan was our Captain.

Gaborik
Richards
Gomez
Drury
Nash (traded for) but around the same age
Redden
Shattenkirk

Should I go on?

It clearly hasn’t worked for us ever, I don’t understand how people don’t see that we shouldn’t even look at free agency anymore until we have a serious team built already. Free agency should be used to compliment an already contending roster.

 

[Richard Banger]

We signed Shattenkirk a year and a half ago.

Shattenkirk is as advertised so that's no.

 

[Profet]

How is it backwards? Defenseman take longer to develop. That's why it will be the last thing fixed. Forwards can step in at age 19 and start contributing. Its extremely rare to see a Dman do that.

Because defensemen take the longest to develop they should be the first thing fixed. Because once you have a solid d-core, forwards can step in at 19 and start contributing.

 

[Richard Banger]

Gaborik
Richards
Gomez
Drury
Nash (traded for) but around the same age
Redden
Shattenkirk

Should I go on?

It clearly hasn’t worked for us ever, I don’t understand how people don’t see that we shouldn’t even look at free agency anymore until we have a serious team build already. Free agency should be used to compliment an already contending roster.

You literally listed the guys I said the last time we did it. I don't count Shattenkirk. Saying we always do that would mean every opportunity to sign a big time FA we do it. But in recent years we haven't.