That is the part where there is disagreement. He costs you probably the most valuable commodity in the NHL. A chance to draft in the top 5.
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That is the part where there is disagreement. He costs you probably the most valuable commodity in the NHL. A chance to draft in the top 5.
haohmaru
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Uh... Are we going to ignore the fact that they already draft Malkin the year before at #2 or the fact they draft Fluery at #1 just prior?
Come on.
haohmaru
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So we're only going to give ourselves 1 year of rebuilding? I don't even know what to say.
haohmaru
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Malkin's first year in the NHL was 2006-7. Fluery was a product of the team in front of him. Come on yourself.
haohmaru
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Don't say anything because we clearly disagree on what "rebuilding" is. I think you're confusing it with "tanking".
So? They were clearly on the tail end of a long rebuild where they scored 4 top 5 draft picks before signing Gonchar. How can you use that as a comparable to us signing Panarin before even drafting once in the top 5?
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haohmaru
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Depending on what comes back at the deadline, we're looking at 7-8 1st round draft picks in 3 years. If we're not headed in the the right direction after three years and seven or eight first rounders then we're drafting/doing it wrong.
Pittsburgh drafted Jordan Staal 2nd overall in 2006. A rebuild of that nature, 4 or 5 top 5 picks in 5 years isn't something that's likely happening ever again. To anyone.
I don't make the argument that elite, or top 5 picks, aren't necessary to win a Cup. But, let's remember as well that there have been, what, 60-70 top 5 picks in the last 12 years and how many teams have won the cup? 8? Top 5 doesn't guarantee.
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What does an Italian city have to do with this?
Tanking is def a key component in the earliest stages of a rebuild. It builds your foundation through highly skilled cost controlled players.
Rebuilding around FA signings doesn't work.
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What JG did to jumpstart this rebuild has been truly amazing. But let's not kid ourselves. This is year 1 of the rebuild. We still don't have a franchise player to build around. Panarin is not that player.
Tawnos
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Seguin wasn't an important component of that team. If you're going to restrict it to "just has to be on the roster," you're just being arbitrarily contrary.
It's happened 3 times in 13 years since the introduction of the cap. Anaheim, Detroit, Boston. Yeah, it hasn't happened in the last 6 years... but it will happen again.
You might want to go to a game there before you draw that opinion. Incredible hockey crowd. Everyone in Vegas is from somewhere else.
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Tawnos
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He mostly played on their 4th line and only played 13 of 25 playoff games. In the playoffs, he ranked 10th among forwards in EV TOI and 8th on the PP, where you would expect they might have at least utilized him more. During the regular season, he was 10th in EV TOI among forwards who played over 40 games, 7th on the PP. So he was a 4th liner who wasn't on either of the first 2 PP units regularly.
It's like saying Brett Connolly played a key role in the Caps Cup win last season. Yeah, he was there and to an extent, every player is important. But he wasn't significant.
Boston is the last team to win without a top pick on the roster. But...they signed Zeno Chara as a free agent. How many truly elite players reach free agency? Tavares, Chara and (if he makes it to July 1) Panarin are part of a very select group. If you don’t have a stable of top 5 picks, buy one when you can.
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You can tell everyone here is beginning to prep for the trade deadline early when common conversations turn into ugly bickering. I’m all for accumulating talent whether we pay for a free agent or we draft it. I just would rather Zbad and Kreider stay. Plus please fix the defense it’s a shit show
Is Panarin really in the same class of players as Tavares, or a Crosby/McDavid? I don't know that he's established that. I wouldn't want to commit a cap-choking hit for the better part of a decade to any player outside of that class.
Tawnos
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This has been my argument too. Plus, the Bruins signed him in an off-season after they missed the playoffs by 18 points. It's not enough to wait to be good before making moves. You have to anticipate being good.
EdJovanovski
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Maybe the coaches are seeing something we aren’t but what have you thought looked bad about his game? Most people on this board have been very impressed with his play this season
Tawnos
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His post wasn't worded exactly properly.
Let's put it this way... the Bruins are the last team to win a Cup without a player they, themselves, drafted in the top-5 playing a significant role. Detroit did in 3 years earlier, Anaheim 4 years earlier.
All of them had top-5 picks they acquired who played big roles (Detroit's was Brad Stuart, who was a 2nd pairing D acquired at the deadline).
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