Mac n Gs
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Oh and in case anyone was wondering, Zucc didn’t want the last man in all-star game vote like “they were expecting.”
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI
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Richard Banger
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Yeah no. How about not having garbage defenseman handing the puck to the opposition and causing us the game? Hell they can pay me to do that. And I won't command 5mil a year.
Nash and his cap hit wasn't the problem. It was paying 2 awful defensemen 5+ mill per year each.
Matt4776
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Literally four out of the five first round picks are vastly exceeding expectations. And the fifth is playing at the level expected. If you want to jump back to our most recent first rounders prior to 2017, both Skjei and Miller have vastly exceeded their expected value based on draft position. Further, it is pretty well documented that we desperately wanted to trade up for Keller in 2016, and that we wanted Pettersson in 2017.
This Gordie is clueless belief needs to die. He has been killing it. Granted, we have to still wait and see for how our 2017/18 classes develop, but he has been great before these classes, and the early returns for 2017/18 are looking fantastic. It's not Gordie's fault we didn't have draft picks from 2013-16.
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And in conjunction, other GMs presently have witnessed the swindling and are more skeptical than ever to give up a first rounder for an expiring asset. A reasonable thought that should be taken into consideration for today's standards.
You've successfully identified another problem. Nobody said Nash single-handedly prevented us from winning a cup, despite everyone else's best intentions and efforts.
Kreider to EDM, get poolparty and their 1st. Could be fairly high. Puljujärvi also got a lot more talent than people give him credit for, 6'4 kid who was rushed to the NHL way before he was ready by an organization that never learns. Great RH shot, vision and playmaking ability. The last years he has lost confidence and haven't been allowed to play much hockey with the puck since he didn't have the legs/footspeed to keep up. Not sold on that he is beyond rescue.
Good kid to buy low on. Play him with Ziba.
Good kid to buy low on. Play him with Ziba.
Ghost of jas
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That doesn’t move the needle at all for me. I need a lot more than that to move Kreider.
A very talented young player and a 1st in the mid range -- what do you guys think we could get?
Ghost of jas
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Moving the goalposts but fine.
Let’s try this. If you expect someone who’s consistently injured (especially with concussions) to live up to their cap hit, while you might not be using childish rhetoric, you certainly aren’t reasoning like an adult.
Puljujärvi is where Dylan Strome would be if Ari rushed him to the NHL right away. Strome hasn't been ready for the NHL up until this season. Puljujärvi is a year and a couple of months YOUNGER than Dylan Strome, and this is his 3rd NHL season...
BobMarleyNYR
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You are right on both counts. Yes, Nash was a big factor. That cannot be denied. And it is odd to still be hung up on this. Shouldn't we be discussing how Pionk is taking time away from ADA and how Quinn is ruining prospects?
DutchShamrock
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I think Zuccarello's value is much more contingent on the number of bidders and less on his current performance. We aren't keeping him, so this is a straight up auction. Get 6 bidders and a 1st may be realistic. If there is one buyer, well then you end up with a Stepan type of "value" trade.
The wild card is if the team feels there is a greater need to move him sooner than later. That could be a poor attitude or need to open a wing spot or a gentleman's motive to end the suspense quick. That will mitigate the number of buyers.
I really thought there would be a few teams jumping the market a la Pittsburgh, beyond the second chance type of trades. It seems like the new stumbling block is whether or not guys like Skinner hit the market.
The wild card is if the team feels there is a greater need to move him sooner than later. That could be a poor attitude or need to open a wing spot or a gentleman's motive to end the suspense quick. That will mitigate the number of buyers.
I really thought there would be a few teams jumping the market a la Pittsburgh, beyond the second chance type of trades. It seems like the new stumbling block is whether or not guys like Skinner hit the market.
How is giving up our only legitimate first line winger buying low?
BobMarleyNYR
Rangers future on D
I think that Byram is an exception that would need to be made. I believe that he is THAT good. When you have a #1 type that you can draft, you draft him. And yes, you are right. If they were lucky enough to nab him, there would be those 'round here that would be disappointed and want to run Gorton/Clark out of town. In addition to WeNeverGetGoodCoaches we would also have WeNeverGetGoodGMs & WeNeverGetGoodScouts.
DutchShamrock
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Not having your franchise forward, whom you build the team around and brought in to score goals, actually you know....score goals was not the problem? Ok.
Go back and check. Its been consistently my point re: Nash for years now. Not my problem if you misconstrue, purposefully or otherwise.
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