Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX
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- Aug 5, 2010
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My ask going into the deadline for Kreider is a reclamation project, prospect, and a 1st. Would I realistically get that? Probably not, but it gives me 3 pieces to negotiate with down to a package of 2 pieces I really like. So it's on the light side for me considering Andersson is thrown in. I'd really like to see what Bennett can do with a change of scenery, however.
Fitzy
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Been saying this for a while and not as a knock on the kid.
Playing dmen over their heads has been a contributing factor to why we needed Henrik to stand on his head from 2006-2016 so often.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Which is another variable, owing quite a bit to chance/good fortune.
Especially for a team that's had as much turnover at the Rangers, untangling deals from one another can be incredibly difficult. To some degree, a good chunk of the moves are interconnected and changing one variable has a butterfly effect that cascades across the entire organization.
In a world with salary caps and contract considerations, it's not easy to cherry pick the moves and players we want to keep. Certain contracts prevent other moves, and the assets you acquire and utilize, aren't available if you don't make the initial trade.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
I think without depth, most kids are going to be playing in over their heads for a little bit.
It's hard to have a ton of rookies breaking in, and have veteran depth. The latter usually prevents the former from doing so, or the former doesn't exist because you didn't acquire it for the latter.
Oscar Lindberg
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Yeah I agree. See him solidifying into that role, and there's nothing wrong with it. I generally try to be conservative on player projections but this one feels about right
I just hope the team can recognize what they have and put him in a situation to succeed
NYR Viper
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LiveLongandProspal
NY Rangers = America's Team
I'm starting to think it's time to sell. Shed salary, get younger, get draft picks. Guys like Kreider, Strome, even Skjei, should all be on the trading block.
And Staal needs to take a hike
And Staal needs to take a hike
its supposed to be. That’s the point. One coach knows how to implement it and the other hasn’t got a clue.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
From a selfish standpoint, I'm kind of happy that December and January have been this bi-polar. I'd like to believe it reinforces the notion that we need to keep moving pieces.
In Kreider's case, I think we need the assets his expiring contract brings in.
In other cases, I think we need to use said assets to flesh out the roster.
So I don't necessarily focus exclusively on picks and prospects, though that will be part of the equation. I'm actually more keenly interested to see how they use those picks/prospects to acquire talent.
Let's say the Rangers acquire a first in a deal for Kreider. Much like Winnipeg's pick last year, I wouldn't assume their first preference is to select a player with that pick. I think they're first preference is to package that pick to acquire NHL-level talent.
In Kreider's case, I think we need the assets his expiring contract brings in.
In other cases, I think we need to use said assets to flesh out the roster.
So I don't necessarily focus exclusively on picks and prospects, though that will be part of the equation. I'm actually more keenly interested to see how they use those picks/prospects to acquire talent.
Let's say the Rangers acquire a first in a deal for Kreider. Much like Winnipeg's pick last year, I wouldn't assume their first preference is to select a player with that pick. I think they're first preference is to package that pick to acquire NHL-level talent.
Oscar Lindberg
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if Kreider goes to the Bruins, I'm like 65-70% sure Danton Heinen will be included in the return in some form
Not sure why but I just got a feeling
Not sure why but I just got a feeling
NYR Viper
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You know I had a crazy idea last night. What about:
EDM 1st + Yamamoto for Buchnevich
In the off-season:
EDM 1st + Hajek for Nurse
Similar idea to what happened with Trouba (although Buch is a RFA, not UFA like Hayes). Edmonton gets a winger to help gain some depth scoring and the Rangers eventually take on the LD they covet who will get a hefty contract in the off-season that Edmonton may not be able to (or want to?) afford.
It’s always been the right thing to do . Kreider for sure . Skjei may not get much interest w the contract
Fast could resign cheap but if not he should go at the deadline too
Strome and DeAngelo likely stay imo
NYR Viper
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What did you have for breakfast? if we get you pro-biotic could that be someone else?
Oscar Lindberg
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Have not eaten breakfast but it's worth a shot
But on the real, he just seems redundant for them, plus he's been scratched lately for other guys. If the Rangers retain on Kreider, and Heinen gets traded to us, that gives the Bruins potentially a little more space to acquire another guy
And truth be told, depending on the other pieces, he's not a bad pick up. He's produced in the NHL before and is signed for another year at a manageable number. So he provides a temporary fill-in for Kreider, or potentially allows for you to move Buchnevich over the summer for an upgrade elsewhere. If you can get him as a throw-in to balance the cap/roster spots, along with a 1st and a bottom-six prospect like Frederic, it's not bad value for a rental player.
Heinen, for all the crap he gets in Boston, came out of college as a very skilled player.
You trade Brady Skjei to a team wirh a real coach and you watch what you get. We’ll be kicking ourselves.
NYR Viper
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I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on Heinen. If the offer was Frederic + BOS 1st and they asked for the Rangers to take on his $2.8m for next year as part of it I'd be totally good with that.
Yeah that's sort of what I'm thinking. Start with that base and ask for an outrageous prospect and then negotiate from there. Honestly, after watching him last season, I thought Jankowski might have 20-20 potential with the right situation but this year he just absolutely tanked.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
You're within the neighborhood on the potential approach of the Rangers this TDL and offseason.
Oscar Lindberg
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Yeah that's actually close to the type of deal I envision should it happen
I'd be pleased with a return like that for a rental Kreider
NYR Viper
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Yeah I have a hard time understanding what is happening to him this year. even if he can get to 15-15 he's a valuable player. It's kind of a situation as well where he is a RFA at the end of the year and that can be a headache for a team up against the cap. Do you qualify him and fear him accepting to ~$1.4m next year or would you not and hope to get a contract ironed out with the fear of him not accepting and walking for nothing? For a team like the Rangers who probably doesn't fear the additional $500k in additional cap for next year he could be a valuable reclamation project.
Also, he played college at Providence so I would have to believe Quinn at least knows of him, he could have perhaps tried to recruit him for all we know
It's not "sexy" value at all, but if Frederic becomes a quality bottom-six forward and Heinen rebounds, that opens up a world of flexibility for Gorton. Heinen is young enough that he can be a core piece, or he can be flipped to a team who desperately needs scoring help. That's even before you consider the potential of what you can do with the pick.
Zynbanejad
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Trading Skjei would be naive. He's a 2LD and a fine one at that, but we're playing him 1LD. Strome and Kreider should be gone by season's end. Staal too ideally.
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