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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX

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I can understand people's trepidation about signing Strome to a new contract, but not because he's going to block anyone. Chytil is showing promise, but he's a way off from being a clear-cut #2 center with an even longer road to generating the kind of production Strome is with Panarin on his wing.

There's also nothing written in stone that says Chytil has to play with Panarin. If he can play with Kakko, or another talented winger, the team can have 3 very good scoring lines at their disposal.
 
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NYR Viper said:
What would you consider in terms of a contract if you were to re-sign Strome? Assuming he is somewhere in between .5ppg and ppg. It's a difficult question for sure
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Tough to say considering he's an RFA. Depends on how many years of potential UFA the Rangers would be willing to chew into. 1-2 years at an annual value of $4.5 - $5M feels sort of right.

That all said, considering his RFA status, the Rangers cap situation, and that his play has risen beyond pedestrian for only a half a season thus far playing with Panarin, I expect the Rangers to either trade him or rightfully squeeze him at contract time.
 
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kovazub94 said:
If the Rangers were in the middle (a couple of years into) of the contention window, I would be probably a lot more keen on keeping Kreider even if it meant overpaying for a 50-point player at $6.5m AAS or more, and a big risk that the last couple of years the Ranger would be lucky to get $3.5m production out of him. But the Rangers are not even in that window yet, probably not for another couple of years, and Kreider is not a cornerstone (like Panarin) to build the team around. He's pure physical force and these type of players tend to diminish with age ultra fast.
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On one hand, Kreider is in the best shape of his life after the illness a few seasons back. It's not unlikely he could play at a sustained level into his mid 30's like MSL and Roberts.

On the other, all he has is his wheels and strength. He's not highly skilled at puck and positional management. If his wheels slow down during his next contract, whoa be the bearer.

Verdict: Agreed. Rangers are not in a position to gamble on that kind of contract. Not with a cap and repercussions for buy-outs.
 
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effen said:
It's because Zib passes the eye test with flying colors and Strome's eye test is really, really pedestrian. We all know he's running inferno hot.
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He's not flashy by any means but that's not a detriment. He's a high IQ/cerebral player. He's been making some beautiful reads/passes, the puck always finds him and hopefully, he starts ripping it. I dont know why we're completely ignoring last season... He was trending up as a Ranger. Obviously, playing with a world talent will elevate his production... compared to Fast and Names... I mean lets be somewhat objective here.

Panarin is running red-hot as well. Sometimes the sum is greater than the parts.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
Panarin has been in on 21 of Strome's 37 points (56.76%). 7 of Strome's 26 assists have come on Panarin goals (26.92%) and 7 of Strome's 11 goals have been assisted by Panarin (63.63%). 7 times they've combined for the assists on a goal, with 4 times Strome being the primary assist and 3 times Panarin being the primary assist.
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Thank you for this

Where was the information pulled from? I'd like to look up some things
 
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5 years at 5 per for Strome would be solid
Seems like a similar career to Brassard

Kreider should be traded
An additional move almost needs to be made to bring in a top line winger to replace him
A sign or trade for further winger talent is so needed

Buchnevich more and more seems like he doesn't have a future here
 
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White Death 24 said:
On one hand, Kreider is in the best shape of his life after the illness a few seasons back. It's not unlikely he could play at a sustained level into his mid 30's like MSL and Roberts.

On the other, all he has is his wheels and strength. He's not highly skilled at puck and positional management. If his wheels slow down during his next contract, whoa be the bearer.

Verdict: Agreed. Rangers are not in a position to gamble on that kind of contract. Not with a cap and repercussions for buy-outs.
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That's the verdict? It's not a yes or no question.

There's a couple of IFs here.
IF he will take a 4-5 year deal.
IF he will take a hometown discount

If the the answer is yes to those, he should be signed. I highly doubt anyone here wants to sign him to a 7 year deal.
 
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Alluckks said:
How much time has Buchnevich spent with Zib and how much does he have to show for it?

Yet we disparage Strome because he has taken advantage of a fortuitous situation in way other players clearly cannot
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I sometimes feel that in the attempt to want to keep his contract low, people low-ball Strome's clear ability to play very well with the Rangers best player. If the Rangers can get an opposite winger to Panrin who can score .7-.9 ppg for $5m per season for the next 4-5 years while Panarin is here that's a coup. That's 1st line winger production for a guy making decent 2nd line or elite 3rd liner money. That allows for the team to spend elsewhere.

The skill of playing very well with a skilled player is not one that every player shares. Chemistry is a real thing
 
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NYR Viper said:
I agree they shouldn't break the bank and make Strome a $7m a year player, but considering he will most likely be playing with Panarin moving forward and considering they seem to both be benefiting from each other, if you can get him signed to a reasonable deal, perhaps the Rangers have found their version of what Kunitz was to Crosby in Strome to Panarin. If guys work well together I understand the need to negotiate but his age range, expected contract and versatility seem to point towards keeping him around. Again, if the contract is reasonable.
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Crosby has brought up Kunitz, Dupuis, Sheary, Guentzel, Rust (they played together a little), Neal, Horqnvist, Armstrong, Malone. Paying/extending Kunitz because he did well with Crosby would have been a mistake considering how many completely random guys could fill that role.
 
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duhmetreE said:
That's the verdict? It's not a yes or no question.

There's a couple of IFs here.
IF he will take a 4-5 year deal.
IF he will take a hometown discount

If the the answer is yes to those, he should be signed. I highly doubt anyone here wants to sign him to a 7 year deal.
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In the words of the immortal John McAfee.

"I'll eat my own d*** if..." Kreider resigns at a low year, hometown discount.

It would have happened by now. He wouldn't risk injury in his final year AND take less than market value at the same time. Nor would the Rangers have been quiet and held out this long either. It's not like there is tampering to worry about so someone would have spilled the beans in the unlikely event everyone is playing coy because Chris Kreider is bleeds blue that hard.
 
duhmetreE said:
That's the verdict? It's not a yes or no question.

There's a couple of IFs here.
IF he will take a 4-5 year deal.
IF he will take a hometown discount

If the the answer is yes to those, he should be signed. I highly doubt anyone here wants to sign him to a 7 year deal.
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The chance of him taking a hometown discount is so slim that it isn't worth taking into meaningful consideration.

Hayes, Zucc, Cally, etc. all loved playing in NY, yet they refused to take a hometown discount. The way hometown discounts are talked about on these boards, one would think almost every impending FA takes less money and term to remain with their team, but that's not often the case.
 
Kovalev27 said:
Letting jagr leave when we did to go to the K was the dumbest thing ever. Could have played 3 or 4 more years easily with us and continue to score. Wasted years of his career. But even saying that jagr was falling he had 123 pts then 90 something then 70 or so with us his last year and far older.

Kreider is 28 and imo getting better. I think contract is weighing on him but since he’s back with Mika he’s flying
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Much like messier and Callahan, amongst others.

I blame both sides for jags career getting cut short here. But I agree it was really stupid for both sides to part ways. Jagr could have been an all-time Rangers by the end of it. Instead he did the circuit legacy instead. Still cool in a Jags way
 
True Blue said:
Yes, he has stepped it up even further this year. Is it a shocker? Someone playing better when developing chemistry with a super star. But a) not everyone can develop chemistry with such a player and b) again, are we going to simply dismiss that he is on pace for 55 assists for the year? Should there be a discount rate applied to assists because Panarin happens to be the one scoring them? I do not recall Buchnevich having such good chemistry with him.

For a bit of clarity, those assist totals would put him into the company of Draisaitl & Kessel. This year, he is currently one assist behind Marner. Does anyone discount who scores Marner's goals? Did anyone question who it was that was scoring for Adam Oates?
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It's no shocker....he's followed the same pattern Zucc laid last season....barely a whimper in the early part of the season....now that the trade deadline looms he suddenly finds his game.....he's a goner.
 
SA16 said:
Crosby has brought up Kunitz, Dupuis, Sheary, Guentzel, Rust (they played together a little), Neal, Horqnvist, Armstrong, Malone. Paying/extending Kunitz because he did well with Crosby would have been a mistake considering how many completely random guys could fill that role.
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I love Panarin, but I'm not about to call him Crosby
 
Alluckks said:
How much time has Buchnevich spent with Zib and how much does he have to show for it?

Yet we disparage Strome because he has taken advantage of a fortuitous situation in way other players clearly cannot
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Currently Mika and Buch have played 153:19 at 5V5 this season

Buch has played 368:58 5V5 without Mika

If I'm looking at it correctly, Buch has assisted on one of Mika's goals in that time together 5v5.

Mika has not assisted Buch on a goal at 5v5. Mika has assisted Buch on one PP goal, and they've both assisted on a Panarin goal on the PP

Edit: so of Buchnevich's current 21 points, 2 of them are directly influenced by Zibanjead (or 9.xx% of his points)
 
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OverTheCap said:
The chance of him taking a hometown discount is so slim that it isn't worth taking into meaningful consideration.

Hayes, Zucc, Cally, etc. all loved playing in NY, yet they refused to take a hometown discount. The way hometown discounts are talked about on these boards, one would think almost every impending FA takes less money and term to remain with their team, but that's not often the case.
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Zucc took what was probably a hometown discount the first time around. Coming off a 59 point season he locked into that 4Y/$18M deal. Even though he only scored 49 points that year I feel like he most definitely could have nabbed at least a few million more. Otherwise, yeah, not a lot of guys taking hometown deals. Obviously Shatty but that was somewhat of a different situation.
 
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White Death 24 said:
In the words of the immortal John McAfee.

"I'll eat my own d*** if..." Kreider resigns at a low year, hometown discount.

It would have happened by now. He wouldn't risk injury in his final year AND take less than market value at the same time. Nor would the Rangers have been quiet and held out this long either. It's not like there is tampering to worry about so someone would have spilled the beans in the unlikely event everyone is playing coy because Chris Kreider is bleeds blue that hard.
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I should have phrased it better. The 4-5 year is more important than the discount. He could take a discount but I'd still reject a 7 year deal.

Considering his age and using Pac and JVR, 4-5 year deal is not far fetched. Kane was 26 going on 27 when he signed. JVR is the best comparable
 
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