Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX

[The New Russian Five]

Like others have said on here, I'm for retaining Kreider, but only if it's for 4 or 5 years, not 6 or 7. By then the team should be contenders and I don't think he is going to decline as quickly as some people think. He's a workout nut like Jagr and St Louis we're. That helped keep them both from really trailing off until their late 30s.

And why would Kreider give up $10,000,000 of potential salary to play here? And trust me, there will be a team in the off season that gives him 6-7 years contract. There always is. The only way the 4-5 year thing works is if we front load that contract and he is making 8-9 million a year for 5 years. Not worth it at all.

Keep also in mind that you said the rangers will likely be contenders in 3 or 4 years. So basically near the very end of his contract that you think he would sign. So basically you only see Kreider being a prominent player for a 2 year window. With the team the rangers are building I want them to be a team that contents for 4-5 years. Best way to do that is to continue picking up young inexpensive talent and filling holes. Its not like someone of Kreider's talent down the line isn't irreplaceable either. I rather the rangers sign or trade for someone similar to Kreider 2 or 3 years down the line when we are ready to compete. And that's assuming there isn't someone we draft or already in our system that can take that role themselves.

 

[haveandare]

imo, some fans can’t emotionally part ways with some players. The guy is an old 28 yr old and will more closely resemble a Marc Staal in a few years.

Kreider at 70 will be faster than Staal today.

 

[kovazub94]

We trade Kreider we’ll be looking for a Kreider for the next decade while the guy will still be bull rushing the league the next 5 years at least. Some of you are already looking to trade for a potential Kreider when you already have him. Amazing.

Yes, looking for a potential Kreider replacement who'd be younger and cheaper while also enjoying a nice return from trading Kreider. Amazing

 

[Kovalev27]

And why would Kreider give up $10,000,000 of potential salary to play here? And trust me, there will be a team in the off season that gives him 6-7 years contract. There always is. The only way the 4-5 year thing works is if we front load that contract and he is making 8-9 million a year for 5 years. Not worth it at all.

Keep also in mind that you said the rangers will likely be contenders in 3 or 4 years. So basically near the very end of his contract that you think he would sign. So basically you only see Kreider being a prominent player for a 2 year window. With the team the rangers are building I want them to be a team that contents for 4-5 years. Best way to do that is to continue picking up young inexpensive talent and filling holes. Its not like someone of Kreider's talent down the line isn't irreplaceable either. I rather the rangers sign or trade for someone similar to Kreider 2 or 3 years down the line when we are ready to compete. And that's assuming there isn't someone we draft or already in our system that can take that role themselves.

many others have many more will why this question continues to be asked when we see guys do it literally all the time is beyond me. Panarin god knows how much he left on the table. At least 10 mil by not signing in Columbus alone.

shattenkirk the last guy before him.

Trouba St. Louis Nash Gaborik JAGR Richards just to name more recent guys that pushed to come here.

the Rangers treat their players so well compared to some other franchises it is the standard in the league. Anyone that tells you otherwise has never talked to nhlers about it. There are certain places you get the chance to go you go. Unless you absolutely despise big city living and there are some that do but most don’t. Most guys want the prestige and the first class treatment. It’s not fantasy land made up by Rangers fans it’s the truth.

 

[Kovalev27]

Yes, looking for a potential Kreider replacement who'd be younger and cheaper while also enjoying a nice return from trading Kreider. Amazing

Yes cause guys like him grow on trees in this league. Good luck finding a guy like that that anyone would trade away when they’re young and cheap

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

We trade Kreider we’ll be looking for a Kreider for the next decade while the guy will still be bull rushing the league the next 5 years at least. Some of you are already looking to trade for a potential Kreider when you already have him. Amazing.

Bull rushing the league? I think your main problem is you're willing to pay an inflated free agent price for a perception of what Kreider is, rather than what he actually is.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Kreider, Strome and DeAngelo all come down to money and term. All three can stay if they take team deals. Personally I feel Kreider will price himself out, Strome will stay and I'm still not sure on DeAngelo as I see him being on the 3rd pair for the foreseeable future and the price for that might make him moveable even if he is slick offensively. I believe Jones looks like a nice replacement in the future so that could factor in. I do feel we need to turn a corner soon though, continuing to empty the roster will put us in the spot the leafs are in now where they haven't won anything yet the top players are on big money deals and they are capped out.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I'm far more comfortable at this point trading Kreider and not having a clear picture on a "replacement" for him than I am paying him

 

[NernieBichols]

Uh oh. I think my recruiting of the tkachuk boys is beginning alittle earlier than I planned.

But I wanted both those kids in their draft.

I was pushing a McD/stepan trade for drais and the 4OA leading up to that draft

And I was more than willing to trade all 3 1sts in brady’s Year to move up for him. You know the year the rangers had kravtsov as their 2nd rated forward

(And once again, that’s not a knock on kravtsov at all. I do believe he was their 3rd highest rated F. that I believe, and that’s huge belief to have in a kid who wasn’t expected to go that high)

 

[NYSPORTS]

com’on, without Panarin the offense is practically non-existent. Let’s be thankful Kreider’s value might be higher due to Panarin. Kreider never reached the heights of a Kevin Stevens and played so many play off games early in his career he’s an older 28. Can’t tie up cash in an old veteran when the kids are still developing IMO.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

To previous points in the thread...

1) I feel like it isn't a certainly KeAndre Miller goes pro this offseason. Unless RB knows something we all don't.

2) This team's "Window" in my opinion begins at the start of the 2021-2022 season. If they let Staal, Smith, and Hank ride out their contracts to that offseason it opens up a ton of cap space. Add another season and a half to our current youngster development and add any new prospects that make the NHL team.

To point two- to me, buying out Staal and or Smith is the wrong move, because it shifts cap from a time when we're still a relative longshot for the cup (The 2020-2021 season) to seasons where we could very feasibly be competitive (2021-2022 and beyond)

Agree regarding the buyouts....We've got way too much dead space next season as it is without adding another $3-4M. I'm not expecting us to be playoff contenders anyway....let the year ride out and we are clear and free.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Agree regarding the buyouts....We've got way too much dead space next season as it is without adding another $3-4M. I'm not expecting us to be playoff contenders anyway....let the year ride out and we are clear and free.

Buying out Smith and Staal would put the Rangers at just under 14 million in dead space next season

It's just comical to think about

 

[RGY]

imo, some fans can’t emotionally part ways with some players. The guy is an old 28 yr old and will more closely resemble a Marc Staal in a few years.

Whether Kreider is here or not, Bookmarking this gem of a comment.

 

[kovazub94]

Yes cause guys like him grow on trees in this league. Good luck finding a guy like that that anyone would trade away when they’re young and cheap

Kreider never played to create an impact appropriate to the level his physical attributes would allow. We would see the high level performance for stretches but then there'd be even longer stretches where he would disappear and have absolutely minimal impact on the game.

So yeah, guys like him are rare but players capable of making similar impact at cheaper $$/year and lower term are not.

 

[offdacrossbar]

I'm far more comfortable at this point trading Kreider and not having a clear picture on a "replacement" for him than I am paying him

exactly.

i believe too many here see chris kreider as what he should be rather than what he really is.

giving him 6 mil for 6 years will be, with his full NTC, marc staal 2.0

he isnt that productive at 28 yrs of age. guys hit the wall at 30. the back half of that deal will be brutal.

sure he can skate fast and hes big, but at 30 will he get better?

trade.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I'm far more comfortable at this point trading Kreider and not having a clear picture on a "replacement" for him than I am paying him

Same. It's almost a no-brainer at this point. The money invested in Panarin and Trouba, the upcoming big hit with the Shattenkirk buy-out and some RFA's due for raises. The math just doesn't work with the price Kreider will command.

 

[Fireonk]

It's funny, for all the talk of how inconsistent Kreider is, here are his 82 game point paces for the last 4 years (including this one.) 58, 52, 54, 53.

 

[Avery16]

It's funny, for all the talk of how inconsistent Kreider is, here are his 82 game point paces for the last 4 years (including this one.) 58, 52, 54, 53.

He’s inconsistent game-to-game, and he’s consistently inconsistent season-to-season.

 

[mulli25]

I'm not really concerned with extending DeAngelo only to have him swallowed up by RD depth and end up on the 3rd pair hurting for minutes

Players with his skillset are always in demand. Unlike a hypothetical Kreider extension, if Tony is passed on the depth chart I'm extremely confident he can be moved with relative ease.

 

[effen]

I'm not really concerned with extending DeAngelo only to have him swallowed up by RD depth and end up on the 3rd pair hurting for minutes

Players with his skillset are always in demand. Unlike a hypothetical Kreider extension, if Tony is passed on the depth chart I'm extremely confident he can be moved with relative ease.

I mean, no one is worried about ADA.

 

[mulli25]

I mean, no one is worried about ADA.

Kreider, Strome and DeAngelo all come down to money and term. All three can stay if they take team deals. Personally I feel Kreider will price himself out, Strome will stay and I'm still not sure on DeAngelo as I see him being on the 3rd pair for the foreseeable future and the price for that might make him moveable even if he is slick offensively. I believe Jones looks like a nice replacement in the future so that could factor in. I do feel we need to turn a corner soon though, continuing to empty the roster will put us in the spot the leafs are in now where they haven't won anything yet the top players are on big money deals and they are capped out.

The post i neglected to quote expressed concern about ADA being too expensive for what might amount to a 3rd pairing dman for us, which was certainly not the first time i've read something to that effect.

 

[Fireonk]

He’s inconsistent game-to-game, and he’s consistently inconsistent season-to-season.

I get it. Not fully disagreeing, I just think he gets an overly bad rap on that. Only the elite players make their mark every single game and he certainly isn't elite.

 

[Trxjw]

I like Kreider as much as the next guy, and I can certainly see a logical argument for re-signing him, but he's hardly some unicorn that can never be replaced.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I mean, no one is worried about ADA.

Yeah I don't get the worry about DeAngelo this upcoming summer

Worst case scenario is they need to trade him after he signs a new contract, and then the team probably gets something pretty good in return

 

[effen]

The post i neglected to quote expressed concern about ADA being too expensive for what might amount to a 3rd pairing dman for us, which was certainly not the first time i've read something to that effect.

Oh. I mean that part is very true. It's a huge reason why JT Miller was traded (can't pay your 3rd line LW 5M+).

Also can't dump stupid money on your blueline for diminishing returns. It's a fun problem to have but I'd guess he's the big chip to get a real legit highly skilled winger in a year or two.