LaffyTaffy
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I feel like those may not be directly related to anything coming but maybe they are. We'll see soon enough.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX
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So the “This is a bad hockey team” thread is locked because the mid who did wants us to lose?
Usually when that thread is bumped we turn it around no?
Usually when that thread is bumped we turn it around no?
Tawnos
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Oilers down 3-0 to the Kings, surely something has to give eventually in EDM? They're also pretty hard up against the cap.
Do people view Draisaitl as a legit #1 centre and would you make a play for him? I'm thinking something based around Kreider and Skjei
Do people view Draisaitl as a legit #1 centre and would you make a play for him? I'm thinking something based around Kreider and Skjei
GMJG needs to get cracking on Hayes deal. Looking like Ottawa may have to shop Duchesne as a rental. That’s stiff competition.
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I know it's the Oilers so he will probably get a contract extension, but how that team would let the GM make another move is crazy.
Even Larry Brooks is starting to see it
https://nypost.com/2019/01/05/rangers-must-decide-price-for-shipping-out-kevin-hayes/
Full-length, no shortcuts rebuild.
https://nypost.com/2019/01/05/rangers-must-decide-price-for-shipping-out-kevin-hayes/
Full-length, no shortcuts rebuild.
Kreider will be entering the last season of his contract this summer. He is having the best of his career. The time to trade him is before the trading deadline 7 weeks from tomorrow. His value has never been higher.
Let's not have another Zuccarello situation. He has been awful this season. He had no interest in playing on Friday night. He inexplicably jumped off the bench and the Rangers were assessed a too many men on the ice penalty. He got a 10 minute misconduct after an altercation with Nemeth at the end of the second period. When he came back to play in the 3rd, he was dreadful. There was a play at the Avs blue line. Zuccarello had the puck and MacKinnon striped him of the puck so easily. They should have given him the primary assist on the Graves goal. He gave Graves a beautiful pass. Maybe he thought Ryan was still a Ranger. Zuccarello's head was somewhere else.
If that was Andersson or Chytil or Buchnevich, they would have been benched and banished after the too many men on the ice penalty. Quinn kept giving Zuccarello the ice time. Quinn is a fraud. Accountability. Playing the right way. Empty words. Zuccarello is playing this afternoon.
That might because the Rangers don't have any healthy extra forwards on the trip with Hayes banged up. Zibanejad didn't skate yesterday. Nemeth hit Zibanejad's knee and it twisted in a weird way. He played the rest of the game but he didn't skate yesterday. He had trouble getting off the ice after the hit. If Mika can't go, the Rangers will go with 13 D. Calling up a player from Hartford is kind of tough with the team in Arizona. Hayes didn't skate yesterday. The team wasn't supposed to skate yesterday but Quinn was mad about their play on Friday. He is a perfect tank coach. He doesn't know what he is doing.
The Rangers can wait to trade Mika at the draft. He still has 3 years remaining on his contract. See where the Rangers end up after the draft lottery. Kreider is a one year rental this summer. If they can find the right for Mika at the deadline, trade him then.
Mika has a concussion history. He took a cheap shot to the head from Rinaldo last week. I hope he is OK from that hit. He has delayed reaction to a hit last season and the concussion symptoms appeared a few days later. He has been quiet the last 3 games. The Nemeth hit was an innocent looking play but Zibanejad's knee took the full force of that hit. Mika didn't skate yesterday. He didn't comfortable after that play.
Let's not have another Zuccarello situation. He has been awful this season. He had no interest in playing on Friday night. He inexplicably jumped off the bench and the Rangers were assessed a too many men on the ice penalty. He got a 10 minute misconduct after an altercation with Nemeth at the end of the second period. When he came back to play in the 3rd, he was dreadful. There was a play at the Avs blue line. Zuccarello had the puck and MacKinnon striped him of the puck so easily. They should have given him the primary assist on the Graves goal. He gave Graves a beautiful pass. Maybe he thought Ryan was still a Ranger. Zuccarello's head was somewhere else.
If that was Andersson or Chytil or Buchnevich, they would have been benched and banished after the too many men on the ice penalty. Quinn kept giving Zuccarello the ice time. Quinn is a fraud. Accountability. Playing the right way. Empty words. Zuccarello is playing this afternoon.
That might because the Rangers don't have any healthy extra forwards on the trip with Hayes banged up. Zibanejad didn't skate yesterday. Nemeth hit Zibanejad's knee and it twisted in a weird way. He played the rest of the game but he didn't skate yesterday. He had trouble getting off the ice after the hit. If Mika can't go, the Rangers will go with 13 D. Calling up a player from Hartford is kind of tough with the team in Arizona. Hayes didn't skate yesterday. The team wasn't supposed to skate yesterday but Quinn was mad about their play on Friday. He is a perfect tank coach. He doesn't know what he is doing.
The Rangers can wait to trade Mika at the draft. He still has 3 years remaining on his contract. See where the Rangers end up after the draft lottery. Kreider is a one year rental this summer. If they can find the right for Mika at the deadline, trade him then.
Mika has a concussion history. He took a cheap shot to the head from Rinaldo last week. I hope he is OK from that hit. He has delayed reaction to a hit last season and the concussion symptoms appeared a few days later. He has been quiet the last 3 games. The Nemeth hit was an innocent looking play but Zibanejad's knee took the full force of that hit. Mika didn't skate yesterday. He didn't comfortable after that play.
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Just to add to the first paragraph, I saw they have to drop $3.6m with sekera about to return.
I would bet a buck on this scenario:
PC is fired within 6 months.
A new GM comes in, get another pick this summer, makes a UFA signing. Does very little. There is a drastic need for players on the big team so they keep rushing and through that destroying all kids. But the new guy will be patient because he didn’t create his mess, and he knows that he won’t be held accountable as long as he doesn’t make any trades.
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I remember when people were upset we didn't draft Josefson or Schroeder instead of Kreider.
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We also could have drafted Anton Gustafsson or Tyler Cuma instead of Del Zotto!
The Rangers did well with that pick.
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Yeah, but it's so much easier to focus on the few players who turned out to be stars in the last 10 years and blame our front office for not recognizing the obvious talent there
It is possible to get highest possible value for Hayes in one of these three scenarios:
1. We trade him straight up for a prospect that isn't super highly regarded in general but that we know really well and like.
These guys can be only 1-2 years away and do really well from the get go. Don't have to have really high 'potential' either, to get a kid that can come in and play on a 2nd line or 2nd pairing and do well is immensely valuable too.
2. We trade him for a first rounder in 2020 and the team giving up the pick derails. Like Ottawa and STL have done, for example.
3. Some teams give up a monster package. An option that requires a few things to become possible: (i) two or more teams must really feels that they have a need for a center and that it will be really hard to fill it with anyone else than Hayes, (ii) they believe that they can resign him to an acceptable contract if they trade for him, and probably that they won't get a shot to sign Hayes if they do not trade for him.
1. We trade him straight up for a prospect that isn't super highly regarded in general but that we know really well and like.
These guys can be only 1-2 years away and do really well from the get go. Don't have to have really high 'potential' either, to get a kid that can come in and play on a 2nd line or 2nd pairing and do well is immensely valuable too.
2. We trade him for a first rounder in 2020 and the team giving up the pick derails. Like Ottawa and STL have done, for example.
3. Some teams give up a monster package. An option that requires a few things to become possible: (i) two or more teams must really feels that they have a need for a center and that it will be really hard to fill it with anyone else than Hayes, (ii) they believe that they can resign him to an acceptable contract if they trade for him, and probably that they won't get a shot to sign Hayes if they do not trade for him.
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Several people were raging when we passed on Schroeder. Good times.
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Going by consensus rankings, and going BPA instead of who we actually drafted, this is what we'd end up with:
2007 NYR: Alexei Cherepanov
2007 BPA: Angelo Esposito
2008 NYR: Michael Del Zotto
2008 BPA: Mattias Tedenby
2009 NYR: Chris Kreider
2009 BPA: Jordan Schroeder
2010 NYR: Dylan McIlrath
2010 BPA: Brandon Gormley
2011 NYR: JT Miller
2011 BPA: Joel Armia
2012 NYR: Brady Skjei
2012 BPA: Matt Finn
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Wouldn’t that be f***ing ironic if Ottawa traded him back to Colorado? The circus would finally go full circle.
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Sorry. I didn't even do that on purpose haha. I just went by 1st rounders and worked my way back from 2012, completely forgot about McIlrath.
But here we go.
2010 NYR: Dylan McIlrath
2010 BPA: Brandon Gormley
Tawnos
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that’s pretty funny. Subconscious choices. What you just posted is definitely the real flaw in the concept of BPA. Because you could just as easily have said Cam Fowler or Vladimir Tarasenko and been accurate. It’s really rare that BPA is easily definable.
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Probably remote that he gets to UFA, but there would be riots if he walked with Ottawa and signed in Denver.
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