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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX

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LeetchisGod said:
Gilmour is atrocious defensively.
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So is Brendan Smith.

I'm not sure there's a player that pisses Lundqvist off more than Smith. The body language says it all.

Smith is quite possibly the stupidest player I've ever seen. His decision making is egregious. Obviously this was a huge L for Gorton. It didn't work out. Cut losses and see if someone else (Gilmour - or anyone else) can do better.
 
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The Smith thing is frustrating because the Rangers absolutely needed a guy to replace Klein, Smith looked like that guy on paper, and Wings fans warned us he wasn't.
 
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Truth is that many NHL players are interchangeable with AHL pieces. Sometimes an injury or personal situation can be the difference between a player performing up to par, or below.

A guy like Bigras would probably make his share of mistakes, but no more than Smith.

NHL is very conservative - perhaps more than any other sport, NHL players are protected and often given a longer leash than deserved. Like anything, it's all about opportunity. Some guys never get an honest chance because of bad timing/injury etc. Life comes at you fast.
 
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Alexei Kovalev 27 said:
Truth is that many NHL players are interchangeable with AHL pieces. Sometimes an injury or personal situation can be the difference between a player performing up to par, or below.

A guy like Bigras would probably make his share of mistakes, but no more than Smith.

NHL is very conservative - perhaps more than any other sport, NHL players are protected and often given a longer leash than deserved. Like anything, it's all about opportunity. Some guys never get an honest chance because of bad timing/injury etc. Life comes at you fast.
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I don't think so. Not for defense, you can get away with it with 4th liners who play 5-10 a night... but there is a clear capability delineation when it comes to defensemen. The Rangers continue to bank on 3rd pair guys being more than what they are. What makes them 3rd pair guys, is their inability to handle situational minutes and matchups. It's a hardest position to play in the game, and the Rangers spend their cap dollars on marginally low contribution players.
 
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Alexei Kovalev 27 said:
There’s a misconception about this 'rebuild/retool' - Real Life Pro Sports is NOT your video sim league.

Young players do not all become good or great players. In fact, most don’t move the needle. Their "overall ratings" don't bump up automatically like your dynasty NHL19 game.

Some of you value youth as if there’s some guarantee they pan out, and you’re projected 4-6-8 years into the future.

Additionally, this line of thinking also usually regards a guy over the age of 27 as 'older' - again, possibly because you're 19 years old yourself and don't have an honest perception of what prime years. Again, stuck in a video game mentality, it's season 2025 and you're creating yourself on the RW with Lias and Hughes.

Oh, one more thing - I'm not moving Kreider for jack ****.
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Meanwhile your completely condescending post misses a very valid point. Time waits for no man and while young players don't always become good or great, you do need youth to backfill your pipeline.

On top of that this team as currently constructed has ZERO great players (Hank was once but guess what? He's getting close to retiring. Shock) and a few good ones. A bunch of decent ones. A few also rans... and of course the just plain bad, especially for the bank they're making.

You don't win shit with this roster and if you think you're going to go out and get a bunch of elite in their prime (or just past it) players I would love to hear how you A) plan on doing so with the paltry resources we have and B) How you fit them under the cap.

Youth = Cost controlled and you seem to ignore that when ranting about age and value.

I'm 45 by the way and don't play video games.
 
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Avery16 said:
Well, certainly we can agree he's cheaper and has better work ethic. I would bet he puts up more points too.
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He doesn't know where to be. Smith is usually in the right place but sucks.

You can make it in junior/AHL with bad positioning, but until he knows where to go, I'd just hope Smith becomes like he was in October; passable.
 
Riche16 said:
I would love to hear how you A) plan on doing so with the paltry resources we have and B) How you fit them under the cap..
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Can you be a bit more clear? Why are our resources paltry? In terms of cap, I've suggested numerous times dealing a prospect (or Skjei or Buchnevich) with Brendan Smith (or Shattenkirk for that matter) to clear cap room.

FWIW, for the age-obsessed 2028 Stanley Cup building arm-chair GM's, Buchnevich is 23 - and I don't think he'll ever figure it out. He'll be in the KHL before he's a legitimate top 6 forward. Kill him off if he still has value, I'm glad to add him in a deal (above).

I don't agree with the notion that we have 'zero great players' - I think both Kreider and Zibanejad are upper tier forwards, and I'm adding to them rather than tearing it down.
 
Real reason why as many of this core as possible has to be moved is too many nights when they come out flat. They were able to get away with it because of depth/great goaltending during the AV years but you need a team that doesn't accept this nonsense. No one is really a $^^ stirrer. Not enough rats other than Names who will be moved either this TDL or next.
 
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Alexei Kovalev 27 said:
Can you be a bit more clear? Why are our resources paltry? In terms of cap, I've suggested numerous times dealing a prospect (or Skjei or Buchnevich) with Brendan Smith (or Shattenkirk for that matter) to clear cap room.

FWIW, for the age-obsessed 2028 Stanley Cup building arm-chair GM's, Buchnevich is 23 - and I don't think he'll ever figure it out. He'll be in the KHL before he's a legitimate top 6 forward. Kill him off if he still has value, I'm glad to add him in a deal (above).

I don't agree with the notion that we have 'zero great players' - I think both Kreider and Zibanejad are upper tier forwards, and I'm adding to them rather than tearing it down.
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By paltry I mean yes we have cap space but not enough for what you're implying, we have prospects but not good enough to contribute yet, and draft picks which obv mean nothing to you (which are ironically probably our most valuable assets because there's no cap associated with them).

I don't consider myself age obsessed 2028 GM, but I want to build a winner and the method you seem to be backing is what we tried and failed at repeatedly. I'd like to draft a good young team that peaks together rather than an elite goalie who we have to try to buy a team for because his presence accelerated our timeline to the point where he had no one around him except mercenaries.
 
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