Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX

[NernieBichols]

You should keep one thing in mind, and I've said this before. When did the Rangers say they are going to trade Zucc? They never did...only the media.

So don't forget this option, they may extend him. And if this happens the Rangers will get a very experienced player and leader on a bargain of a deal...again. Zucc is doing so many good things off the ice a lot of people don't think about...or perhaps I should say don't know about. And on the ice he's a true leader when he turns on his A-game.

When this situation is behind him, he'll start playing good hockey again and be the Zucc we all know, never takes a shift off. I'm 100% sure about that.

He sure as hell isnt a leader right now

 

[DutchShamrock]

The 5 stages of grief and loss are: 1. Denial and isolation; 2. Anger; 3. Bargaining; 4. Depression; 5. Acceptance. People who are grieving do not necessarily go through the stages in the same order or experience all of them.

I thought we got to bargaining but I think some of us are stuck in denial.

Zuccarello isn't mad he's about to be traded. He's mad he didn't get an extension like so many of the other good soldiers. He feels slighted because he didn't get rewarded like Step, Mac, Hank, Girardi and Staal. That's the only explanation for sandbagging it. You didn't take care of me, I'm not helping you.

It's a business. Nearly all of those nice contracts turned into new uniforms. Hank will be a legend but Staal will pay the most for his deal. He's going to continue being a lightning rod for the woes. Bad seasons to top it off. This isn't boo hoo, but his quality of life took a hit on the physical sense. Things you don't get back. He's not getting the mercy kill that everyone else, including Zucc, got.

 

[Tawnos]

I thought we got to bargaining but I think some of us are stuck in denial.

Zuccarello isn't mad he's about to be traded. He's mad he didn't get an extension like so many of the other good soldiers. He feels slighted because he didn't get rewarded like Step, Mac, Hank, Girardi and Staal. That's the only explanation for sandbagging it. You didn't take care of me, I'm not helping you.

It's a business. Nearly all of those nice contracts turned into new uniforms. Hank will be a legend but Staal will pay the most for his deal. He's going to continue being a lightning rod for the woes. Bad seasons to top it off. This isn't boo hoo, but his quality of life took a hit on the physical sense. Things you don't get back. He's not getting the mercy kill that everyone else, including Zucc, got.

Except that he did. His last deal expired with him as a UFA.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You should keep one thing in mind, and I've said this before. When did the Rangers say they are going to trade Zucc? They never did...only the media.

So don't forget this option, they may extend him. And if this happens the Rangers will get a very experienced player and leader on a bargain of a deal...again. Zucc is doing so many good things off the ice a lot of people don't think about...or perhaps I should say don't know about. And on the ice he's a true leader when he turns on his A-game.

When this situation is behind him, he'll start playing good hockey again and be the Zucc we all know, never takes a shift off. I'm 100% sure about that.

He’s taken plenty of shifts off the last 2 seasons.

And there’s a reason why the media is playing this up. Even zucc himself is convinced that he’s on the outs.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Except that he did. His last deal expired with him as a UFA.

I mean the one where you are paid for what you did and it runs past the seasons you are earning that amount. Stepan got one. Staal did. Mac's deal was similar to Zuccarello's last one that is ending now.

 

[Rongomania]

I mean the one where you are paid for what you did and it runs past the seasons you are earning that amount. Stepan got one. Staal did. Mac's deal was similar to Zuccarello's last one that is ending now.

Man that list of teams using as a grocery store is certainly erection-inducing reading material

If JG plays his cards right we’re going to do better than last year. It’s as though he teed up this current ‘tradeable’ crop and has been listening for a year. Smart man. Except the whole Zucc situation. Ugh those quotes from the little guy are truly soul crushing as a fan of this team. Those few brooks quotes completely sum up this season for us.

 

[eco's bones]

Thank you for posting the numbers without context. I really appreciate it and was having trouble googling them myself.

Your welcome. It just seems to me that there is a gap between how we project numbers and the reality of the actual production numbers themselves.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Re-sign Zucc now. He'll be happy and start playing well. Then, boom, trade him at the deadline after he raises his value back up.

 

[aufheben]

People have mentioned Zuccarello + Skjei for Nylander, would Fast + Skjei make more sense for them?

For Alex Nylander?

 

[East Coast Bias]

For Alex Nylander?

Laying the groundwork to entice William Nylander. The modern day "the Staals are brothers" if you will.

 

[haveandare]

I'd like to think if they were going to extend him, they wouldn't have put him through the apparent mental anguish he's been experiencing.

And if he's going through said anguish, I'd like to believe he'd say thanks but no thanks at this point.

And as much as I love the guy, if he's going through anguish over maybe being traded as a professional hockey player, that's not really very good leadership. People get traded all the time. It's part of this job. I can't accept "well he's a great leader, unless there's any possibility he'll be traded, in which case he'll be totally thrown off." That's like "he's a great CEO unless there's any chance of having to tackle a problem in which case he's paralyzed with fear."

 

[Avery16]

I thought we got to bargaining but I think some of us are stuck in denial.

Zuccarello isn't mad he's about to be traded. He's mad he didn't get an extension like so many of the other good soldiers. He feels slighted because he didn't get rewarded like Step, Mac, Hank, Girardi and Staal. That's the only explanation for sandbagging it. You didn't take care of me, I'm not helping you.

It's a business. Nearly all of those nice contracts turned into new uniforms. Hank will be a legend but Staal will pay the most for his deal. He's going to continue being a lightning rod for the woes. Bad seasons to top it off. This isn't boo hoo, but his quality of life took a hit on the physical sense. Things you don't get back. He's not getting the mercy kill that everyone else, including Zucc, got.

This doesn’t read. All those guys except Hank and Staal are gone, and Zucc still here, with a letter.

 

[rangers1314]

Considering his health this season and the lack of production, I'm no longer of the belief Zucc will fetch a 1. Going in this season I truly thought that the price on him would be close to what we got for Nash last season.

At this point, I'd be be thrilled with a return mirroring what the Rangers gave up for Eric Staal, 2 2nd's and a decent prospect.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Considering his health this season and the lack of production, I'm no longer of the belief Zucc will fetch a 1. Going in this season I truly thought that the price on him would be close to what we got for Nash last season.

At this point, I'd be be thrilled with a return mirroring what the Rangers gave up for Eric Staal, 2 2nd's and a decent prospect.

I'd be ok with this.

 

[Machinehead]

We could probably get something nice for Pionk before everyone realizes he sucks but that's none of my business.

 

[JuiceNF]

Dude............how long are you gonna continue to go with this?

I'm starting to wonder if this isn't Zucc himself, which would be tragic.

Yup, thought the same thing when I read the post.

 

[Ghost of jas]

We could probably get something nice for Pionk before everyone realizes he sucks but that's none of my business.

I really need to know what about Pionk has convinced two coaching staffs to give Pionk the ice time and matchups they have. The only common denominator is Ruff.

 

[Winston2018]

I really need to kmow what about Pionk has convinced two coaching staffs to give Pionk the ice time and matchups they have. The only common denominator is Ruff.

He's not too bad...

 

[Winston2018]

Zukes value as a add on to the rumored @BBKers deal with Skjei is one way to maximize his depreciated value or as a tag along to the eventual Hayes deal

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

That's a complete garbage return.

Not sure what you're realistically expecting at this point. They can do better than a 3rd and a 5th, but I think its pretty likely that a 2nd rounder would be the centerpiece of a deal. He just hasn't been the same player and his value will suffer because of it. There's a chance of an even poorer return if Gorton determines that getting a malcontent Zucc off the team is a net positive, and he jumps the market as a result.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Not sure what you're realistically expecting at this point. They can do better than a 3rd and a 5th, but I think its pretty likely that a 2nd rounder would be the centerpiece of a deal. He just hasn't been the same player and his value will suffer because of it. There's a chance of an even poorer return if Gorton determines that getting a malcontent Zucc off the team is a net positive, and he jumps the market as a result.

A 2nd is still much better than a 3/5th. Esp if its in the top 10 of the 2nd round.

 

[Machinehead]

I really need to kmow what about Pionk has convinced two coaching staffs to give Pionk the ice time and matchups they have. The only common denominator is Ruff.

He's always defending so he's good at defense.

We've seen this many times around the league. The successful teams are at least starting to put these guys on their third pair, but everyone is employing them.

The issue for me is, he's already playing over superior players. It might be "just Shattenkirk and DeAngelo" but they're superior players nonetheless. The question becomes: how good do RHD have to be to usurp Pionk, and where are we getting two of them from? Will I be happy if we have to burn two picks on elite RHD to get Pionk out of that role when our coach could do it with the snap of his fingers? And then, does it even matter? Girardi still got more minutes than an elite RHD in Stralman because the organization crowned him and that was that.

And then on top of that, we'll scratch the superior talent completely to shoehorn some ragdolling and goonery into the lineup.

This type of thing is representative of why I'm so salty all the time. The one thing that's changed is that they're willing to go through this process. That's good. Everything else about their DNA is still "Rongos gonna Rongo"

 

[GAGLine]

I really need to kmow what about Pionk has convinced two coaching staffs to give Pionk the ice time and matchups they have. The only common denominator is Ruff.

And the other options are....

The entire defense is bad.

 

[Idlerlee]

Considering his health this season and the lack of production, I'm no longer of the belief Zucc will fetch a 1. Going in this season I truly thought that the price on him would be close to what we got for Nash last season.

At this point, I'd be be thrilled with a return mirroring what the Rangers gave up for Eric Staal, 2 2nd's and a decent prospect.

Nash was behind Zucc in more or less everything outside of pucks in net when we got a f***ing haul for him. The league knows whats up, he'll still give the Rangers a 1st round pick. Trade value is not based on your most recent games. Not sure what the return would be, but a 1st round pick is a given

 

[Profet]

I think everyone will feel a lot better about this rebuild when we draft an elite skill player. I know some are going to argue that Kravtsov is that player... and I sure hope he will be... but until we have a Calder finalist to grow with... this is going to be a rocky road.