Oscar Lindberg
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which isn't going to happen
We've moved past that point. Now it's time to move him for the best package and pray that those pieces are better than him long term
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX
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We've moved past that point. Now it's time to move him for the best package and pray that those pieces are better than him long term
HOOOOWWWWWWW
seriously, how?
How do we keep our best players, AND add ready-now talent, AND build around that core through the draft?
I'm not even being a wise ass, i genuinely don't know how that's possible without getting absurdly lucky, multiple times over.
Tawnos
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@mulli25 I didn't do 1st rounders on that list. He's apparently been hurt most of the year, but doing fine. Was just in the WJC on the Finnish team.
I didn't do the 1st rounders, because there's a higher chance teams won't part with them.
Col: Cale Makar - RHD (20 points in 18 games in NCAA)*
Vgk: Cody Glass - C (54 points in 26 games in WHL)*
Fla: Owen Tippett - C (35 points in 25 games in OHL)
Car: Martin Necas - C (26 points in 28 games in AHL)*
Tbl: Cal Foote - RHD (13 points in 33 games in AHL)*
Vgk: Erik Brannstrom - LHD (20 points in 25 games in AHL)
Cgy: Juuso Valimaki - LHD (2 points in 22 games in NHL)
Tor: Timothy Liljegren - RHD (8 points in 19 games in AHL)
Bos: Urho Vaakanainen - LHD (2 points in 6 games in AHL, 0 points in 2 games in NHL, been hurt most of the year)
Edm: Kailer Yamamoto - RW (2 points in 13 games in NHL, 8 points in 11 games in AHL)
Wpg: Kristian Vesalainen - W (11 points in 15 games in KHL, 8 points in 8 games in AHL, 1 point in 5 games in NHL)
Col: Shane Bowers - C (8 points in 15 games in NCAA)
Nsh: Eeli Tolvanen - RW (12 points in 24 games in AHL, 2 points in 4 games in NHL)*
*I think these guys are probably untouchable
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Oh? I think we only just reached the window where we could re-sign him. How has the moment passed? Have you heard something?
Lion Hound
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Seem to hear Jesper Fast mentioned more and more in rumors. Athletic chimed in recently. Cost controlled, versatile player who's only 27. I would imagine Gorton would find alot of interest. Wonder what a return would look like for him? Maybe even part of a larger deal?
Oscar Lindberg
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Of course not
But it seems pretty obvious to me they won't be re-signing him. People can hold out hope I guess but you're better off just accepting what appears to be the most likely conclusion to this saga
Tawnos
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I guess you're right. They just must have really needed those 4th and 6th round picks and didnt need top-4 scoring anymore.
Or, they thought they had another top-4 D in Skjei ready to go. And in 16-17, it really looked like they were right. Yandle scored 2 more points than Skjei in 16-17.
Well, sure. But that would've been the same if they decided to re-sign Yandle. Cap issues are almost always overblown in the media and on these boards. If a team really wants to do something, like re-sign Yandle, they find a way.
Always been a big Fast guy but he's a guy every playoff contender probably would love to have. Which means you might be able to use him to dump a contract like Staal, Shatty or Smith with 25-30% retained. If you are willing to take less of a return. IMO, the picks are more important than clearing cap room. Let's say they trade Hayes, Zucc and Staal. More than enough money to sign Panarin to help develop young players if he loves NY as stated.
Prob a 2nd round pick.
He's an incredibly versatile bottom 6'er with solid playoff performances under his belt.
NYR Viper
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How much is this Gorton or Clarke's fault then they went SO long without their top picks? Andersson is already showing to be a VERY good AHL player. He's 20. A year and a half from being drafted.
He also hasn't played in nearly as many games or the same minutes with the quality of linemates as many other rookies.
Not every player develops the same way or on the same timetable.
So lets say yu re-sign Hayes. What is your next order of business? You say clean up the defense. How so?
Ghost of jas
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No, there isn’t too much belief from those of us who went headlong into this process. At every turn, I’ve said nothing about this process is guaranteed. This is new territory for this organization. And, this is not an overnight process. I’ve said that from the beginning, despite what Brooks and the hockey media has tried to claim. I haven’t wavered in that regard. The only thing that I’m now reconsidering is that, unlike my prior belief, this team is more than likely going to be this bad next year, meaning they’ll have another shot at a top five pick. Henke’s shield of invincibility wearing off is starting to force those who mistakenly believed he would alone keep the Rangers from bottoming out to reassess that train of thought. Yes, they are likely bottom five in overall talent in the league.
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Why negotiate against yourself? The second you say re-signing him is off the table no matter what $, term, or protections, the league will take note and his value will plummet. We have cap space. There might be a number/term out there and a partial NTC that makes it work if we can't get good value in a return this season. We'll get to hit the re-start button. Even if we don't, the offers will be more if GMs think we aren't unwilling to re-sign.
SA16
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Thank you for posting the numbers without context. I really appreciate it and was having trouble googling them myself.
DanielBrassard
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I wouldn't be surprised. He could play up in the lineup, down in the lineup, very good 5v5 defender. And with 1 year left on his contract will he be here past that point? If not, trade him now at his highest value
NYR Viper
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Who are the people calling Andersson, Chytil, Miller and Kravtsov the saviors? The Rangers are building a core group of players. Some of the draft picks will hit. Some won't. Some will be used as pieces to acquire those pieces when the team sees an opportunity.
Ghost of jas
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ODC, correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to recall you being very high on Andersson both going into the draft and after the selection. Have you changed your mind on him?
Ghost of jas
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4. Kevin Hayes, Rangers: He’s big. He’s a center. He’s a rental. He’s everything a contending team like the Bruins or the Jets would love to plug into their lineup for the stretch run. Hayes has 33 points in 39 games and will be one of the biggest targets before the trade deadline.
“He’s a really good player,” said one NHL source. “I think it’s buyer beware when he’s signing his next contract … but as a rental? Awesome. He’s not going to be a first-line center. Let’s say it’s the Bruins, he’ll be their third center. Then he’s really good.”
7. Chris Kreider, Rangers: It would have to take a significant offer to lure Kreider away from the Rangers. He’s already hit 20 goals this season. He’s got another year left on a team-friendly deal that has a cap hit of $4.625 million. But Kreider may be the best example of what one GM was referring to when he pointed to the Rangers as a one-stop shop for buying teams. If you want a rental forward, they have one. If you want a veteran forward with a good contract, they have one of those too. Need help on defense? They have just about any kind of player you like there. “The New York Rangers – they have every flavor you can imagine,” said the executive.
14. Mats Zuccarello, Rangers:Zuccarello’s numbers are down, with the winger averaging just 0.50 points per game, well below his career average of 0.67. But it was interesting to read his comments to Larry Brooks in the New York Post that his availability on the trade market may have something to do with his on-ice production.
“People can say that I’m making enough money that I shouldn’t let any of this affect me, but I’m sorry, I have been here for nine years and I am human,” Zuccarello told Brooks. “It’s a tough situation but it’s also no excuse for me.”
NYR Viper
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That would be an interesting move. He's another UFA to be next year. Do Gorton and company want to pay him to be that versatile bottom-6 winger? My guess is he will make ~$3M per season. The other question is, how long will he be able to sustain this style of play as a smaller player?
Tawnos
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SA16
Sixstring
Yes. Definitely trade Fast. He won't get that much back but I would absolutely would not give him another contract. He's had a good five years don't overpay a depth player who is nearing 30. Those contracts are almost always a disaster.
Ghost of jas
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I cannot like this post enough. This is a Jay Beagle contract in the making:
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I got blasted for mentioning him recently I love him. I own his freaking authentic jersey (ok yes it was on the ultra clearance at the NHL Store but does that really matter? LOL). You get two playoff runs out of him and he can play all over the place. He had a great 2015 and 2017 playoffs. That says something. He's very cost controlled but will get a big contract for his production next summer.
He's going to price himself out of NY. Virta or Paju and maybe even Meskannen have first auditions at taking over that role.
You can't pay him $3 million, it's not good cap use. You let a team like Vancouver or Florida do that.
E-Train
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I mentioned Fast earlier in the season. Alone probably a 3rd. Could be a good add on to Hayes though.
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