Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX
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I think what hurts the most is the Shattenkirk and (potentially) Skjei whiffs were consummated in very different ways. You could make a legitimate argument that nobody could project their play both falling off a cliff like this, but hey, its Gorton's job to get these calls right.
Tawnos
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I think it's probably instructive that the Rangers went after 2016 draft picks last season. It'd be reasonable to expect them to do the same with 2017s this year. So, who are the 2017 2nd rounders on potential sellers?
Col: Conor Timmins - RHD (been hurt all year)
Vgk: Nicholas Hague - LHD (17 points in 37 games in AHL)
Buf: Marcus Davidsson - C (15 points in 29 games in SHL)
Dal: Jason Robertson - RW (60 points in 32 games in OHL)
Fla: Aleksi Heponiemi - C (26 points in 29 games in SM-Liiga)
Car: Eetu Luostarinen - C (21 points in 32 games in SM-Liiga)
Wpg: Dylan Samberg - LHD (4 points in 15 games in NCAA, more of a defensive D anyway)
Cbj: Alexander Texier - C (16 points in 31 games in SM-Liiga)
Tbl: Alexander Volkov - LW (20 points in 33 games in AHL)
Sjs: Mario Ferraro - LHD (6 points in 18 games in NCAA)
Pit: Zachary Lauzon - LHD (4 points in 25 games in QMJHL)
Bos: Jack Studnicka - C (34 points in 30 games in OHL)
Tor: Eemeli Rasanen - RHD (1 point in 6 games in KHL, has he been hurt?)
Nsh: Grant Mismash - LW (9 points in 18 games in NCAA)
Vgk: Jake Leschshyn - C (52 points in 39 games in WHL)
Some of those buyers are questionable, of course.
Bob Richards
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Food $200
Data $150
Rent $800
Marc Staal $34,200,000
Utility $150
someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my family is dying
Thirty One
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LOL on nobody being able to predict uneven play from the third year defenseman with two seasons of uneven play under his belt.
Thirty One
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Are you really spending that much on data?
NYR Viper
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That is just painful to look at.
Karlsson + Burns + Vlasic
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Staal + Smith + Shattenkirk + Skjei + McQuiad
Bob Richards
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Marc Staal's + Brendan Smith's contracts have many digits in them. Several even.
I'm sorry our prehistoric technology can't handle Marc Staal's space age contract.
Edge
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And that's a good frame of reference when looking at potential asks as we move forward. With Hayes I would also add first rounders into the mix as part of potential conversations.
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Sign me up for Heponiemi, because I like him as a player and Alexei Volkov, because... Well, I like Chuck
Not on your list, but whats going on with Vaakanainen in BOS? I'd seen him mentioned in conversations Hayes previously.
Tawnos
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And most of them were wrong. Like the Blueshirt Banter one I found in a quick Google search that wrung it's hands about the Rangers cap woes... citing $16 million in space and the need to sign Kreider, Hayes and Miller... players who signed for under $10 million combined. The Rangers also freed up over $2m in the Brassard trade not too much later. They could have found a way to make it work.
offdacrossbar
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i gotta laugh at all the offering up guys that are underperforming here.
that sell low thing again.
if the return isnt sufficient, then all were doing is churning spoiled milk to make bad cheese.
literally every player on this roster is available.
on a side note, mr 72 is now 13 points in 40 games and a -11 16th in rookie scoring
mr 21 14 points 40 games -7 13th in rookie scoring
mr 50 4 points 21 games -5
meh
not seeing anything here that screams elite. i see pretty good but not anything different than what we've always had. pretty good players. like kevin hayes.
I'm still looking for that elite talent.
krav and maybe miller
that sell low thing again.
if the return isnt sufficient, then all were doing is churning spoiled milk to make bad cheese.
literally every player on this roster is available.
on a side note, mr 72 is now 13 points in 40 games and a -11 16th in rookie scoring
mr 21 14 points 40 games -7 13th in rookie scoring
mr 50 4 points 21 games -5
meh
not seeing anything here that screams elite. i see pretty good but not anything different than what we've always had. pretty good players. like kevin hayes.
I'm still looking for that elite talent.
krav and maybe miller
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Apologies for lumping you two together.
To the bold, some people can and some people can't. For me what matters is whether a person is consciously under performing/not caring or just letting a situation get to them. My guess is with Zucc it's the latter. In which case it sucks but what can you do?
Personally if my job was trying to chuck me and I knew I would have ample opportunities to work elsewhere this summer you would be able to fit the amount of ****s I gave for the rest of the year into a thimble, so I would be firmly in the former category. But yeah I just dont see that being Zucc.
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Oscar Lindberg
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No offense but you can't sell low on these guys, when the lowest of low is they're going to walk for nothing in the summer.
So you can either trade Hayes for a pretty good package, or hold out for an elite package, not get it, and get nothing.
Ghost of jas
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You’re not saying anything different than what most of us in favor of this rebuild have been saying. And you were the one about a month ago claiming the Rangers were close to being ready to challenge for a playoff spot. Most of us have said Kravtsov and Miller are just potentially the beginning of adding top end talent, and that they needed to potentially add at least another two in the upcoming first round. And, right now, it’s more than likely they get another chance or two in 2020.
As for Chytil, Howden and Andersson, Chytil has, IMO, high end upside, as long as he’s on the wing and is a complementary player to another high end talent. And if the Rangers are able to add enough high end talent in the next two drafts, then Andersson and Howden become quality 3rd liners.
This process is nowhere near even close to being completed.
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I guess you're right. They just must have really needed those 4th and 6th round picks and didnt need top-4 scoring anymore.
DanielBrassard
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So you are telling me signing mediocre LHD to big long-term contracts and trading for washed up defensive defenseman isn't a good idea?
Thirty One
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Because Hayes and Miller signed two year deals. I'm sure the author wanted them signed longer.
offdacrossbar
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or option 3 is keep 13. problem is, if i were him, i wouldn't want to stay on a team that cant win.
and no offense but i know that. selling 76 right now would be counter productive. at best.
just as moving 13 for a "pretty good package" would be criminal.
here's an idea, you can keep 13 and get better around him. add real talent thats ready now and build around the core we have here now via the draft- takes time unless you draft an elite player.
fix the defense thats the priority tbh. we need nhl ready talent there now. rebuild or not, this defense is a tire fire top to bottom.
at some point the light needs to shine on gordie clark and jeff gordon because those guys are kinda in charge if this dumpster fire. this team they have assembled is trash and the draft hasn't helped much.
we have developed an elite player in forever. we have drafted an elite player in forever. we dont haver a top 50 player in the league.
our highest pick in recent drafts has 4 points this season. hes 57th in rookie scoring. let that sink in for a moment.
7OA
That same guy whose tires you pumped was picked at 7 OA.
This is a poor reason to keep #13 btw.
Oscar Lindberg
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Yeah that all sounds great but you're forgetting that they could have signed Hayes long term and didn't. So it isn't going to happen now, and it's not an option. Maybe like a 1% chance but it's so unlikely.
And you say they need NHL ready talent now, where is that coming from? It doesn't just fall from the sky, it comes from trading guys like Hayes.
And I'm saying this as someone who was (and still somewhat is) very much interested in keeping Hayes and wanted him signed long term.
offdacrossbar
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the 9-1 run fooled me.
plus the guys seems committed to the new system and quinn seems like he had them on the same page.
hank was standing on his head and even the games they were losing they were competitive and the effort was there.
thats all gone.
i just think theres too much belief in the kids we have now playing as being saviors. i see more support types who fill roles but nothing that screams difference makers esp. with 21, 72 and 50.
i think we are bottom 5 in the entire league talent wise.
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