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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVIV

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You need guys that can play a 4th line game on the 4th line.

I think they need to find a guy who can complement Lems-Howdie.

A 4th line C/RW who can take draws, and kill penalties, while playing a fast physical game.

The issue is that this coach doesn't play a 4th line. But ideally you want your 4th unit getting 8-10 minutes of 5v5 time, and 2-4 in PK minutes. Maybe some PP time for a guy like Lems.
 
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I get why Quinn shortens the bench. He wants to win and in a game where they were hanging on for dear life, he went with the guys who were working and not getting pinned.

Problem is it's not sustainable for 82 games this isn't 1985.

It was refreshing not seeing Smith. He's such a low IQ player.
 
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but it wouldn’t surprise me to see the rangers trade Kreider and if he can’t get close to that 50m number.

That he circles back to the rangers and bruins to see if he prefers to take less to be somewhere he really wants to be.

Have a feeling Kreider has met quite a few business opportunities while living in NYC and used his money wisely. Could see him having his money make money where so he might be willing to make alittle less on a hockey contract if he can be where he wants
 
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The Leafs went with 3 lines yesterday, their 4th line hardly played! All their top guys played over 20 minutes. Quinn saw that and took his chances playing 3 lines as well.
I agree DQ should be playing 4 lines, but last night was not one of those games.
My issue was McKegg taking Kakko's spot on that third line late in the game...
 
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Mikos87 said:
You need guys that can play a 4th line game on the 4th line.

I think they need to find a guy who can complement Lems-Howdie.

A 4th line C/RW who can take draws, and kill penalties, while playing a fast physical game.

The issue is that this coach doesn't play a 4th line. But ideally you want your 4th unit getting 8-10 minutes of 5v5 time, and 2-4 in PK minutes. Maybe some PP time for a guy like Lems.
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The only reason Quinn doesn’t want to play 4 lines is bc based on the options he always throwing at least two forwards out there who can’t skate and handle the puck well enough for them to be productive minutes.

I hope that’s the reason.
 
One thing that’s been realm noticeable to me is how tired Fox looks out there. And that he stills muster the ability to make smart little plays that are masking some of his fatigue. I think he’s gonna be really really good.

Even though lindgren played for a tire fire in Hartford last year he got used to the grind.

That’s what Kakko is doing now. We all thought he might be more ready than he is. But it’s clear the kid needs to get used to the rigors of the schedule and the game.

One last thing, to me deangelo is showing signs he might be in all as a ranger as he’s becoming a real team player as opposed to a maverick trying to do his thing to stick and prove.
 
I just dont understand it. We have a pathetic 4th line. We just lost Lemieux. Why not claim Granlund. If he is “cooked” then he ends up as the 13th forward or back on waivers.

Why do we keep rolling out that atrocious 4th line? This is the biggest botched portion of the roster by Gorton and JD
 
RGY said:
I just dont understand it. We have a pathetic 4th line. We just lost Lemieux. Why not claim Granlund. If he is “cooked” then he ends up as the 13th forward or back on waivers.

Why do we keep rolling out that atrocious 4th line? This is the biggest botched portion of the roster by Gorton and JD
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Because if he's trash you end up wasting a contract spot and it limits your trade flexibility.
 
RGY said:
I just dont understand it. We have a pathetic 4th line. We just lost Lemieux. Why not claim Granlund. If he is “cooked” then he ends up as the 13th forward or back on waivers.

Why do we keep rolling out that atrocious 4th line? This is the biggest botched portion of the roster by Gorton and JD
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The Oilers are essentially giving him away and not a single team in the league took a flier on that. That should tell you exactly why the Rangers didn't pick him up.
 
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Mikos87 said:
You need guys that can play a 4th line game on the 4th line.

I think they need to find a guy who can complement Lems-Howdie.

A 4th line C/RW who can take draws, and kill penalties, while playing a fast physical game.

The issue is that this coach doesn't play a 4th line. But ideally you want your 4th unit getting 8-10 minutes of 5v5 time, and 2-4 in PK minutes. Maybe some PP time for a guy like Lems.
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The problem isn't that we need more good fourth liners, it's that we have two solid 4th line wingers in Fast and Lemieux who have to play way up the lineup due to lack of forward depth.
 
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Fitzy said:
The problem isn't that we need more good fourth liners, it's that we have two solid 4th line wingers in Fast and Lemieux who have to play way up the lineup due to lack of forward depth.
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I don't disagree at all, and think that until that is addressed, the Rangers don't contend for a playoff spot.

With a Kreider and Fast sold off, it comes down to 4 NHL forward spots on each line to close that gap. I believe VK can fill one of those slots, and a Lias Anderson trade can get a 4th line spot.

You then end up needing two top 6 slots. 1 winger and 1 center, or 2 wingers depending on if Strome solidifies that 2nd line center spot (which I think he has... unless the Rangers land Byfeld).
 
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I don't disagree at all, and think that until that is addressed, the Rangers don't contend for a playoff spot.

With a Kreider and Fast sold off, it comes down to 4 NHL forward spots on each line to close that gap. I believe VK can fill one of those slots, and a Lias Anderson trade can get a 4th line spot.

You then end up needing two top 6 slots. 1 winger and 1 center, or 2 wingers depending on if Strome solidifies that 2nd line center spot (which I think he has... unless the Rangers land Byfeld).
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We need to be active on two major fronts.

The first is to return another Lemieux type player in the Kreider trade. Young, cost controlled, lower ceiling but higher odds young player. Frederic would be an example.

The second is to be active once again in the NCAA undrafted FA market. There are a few guys like Zachary Aston Reese out there each year.
 
NernieBichols said:
The only reason Quinn doesn’t want to play 4 lines is bc based on the options he always throwing at least two forwards out there who can’t skate and handle the puck well enough for them to be productive minutes.

I hope that’s the reason.
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Yeah and I would hope that at-least they have it in them to give looks to a VK, or some skaters in the AHL as opposed to Haley. Talking about bodies like O'Regan, DiGuissippe. Not saying they are NHL level options over term, but better them than 3 ceremonial minutes from Haley.

And I like Haley... who might be the last NHLer in a very long time to have 20+ fights in a year... it's just that those are useless minutes.

But Quinn also has a penchant for icing anyone on the 4th unit at 7 minutes and under.... so there is that too.

Somebody else might know better, but of the games played this year.... how many nights did the 4th line play 10-12 minutes a night?
 
Fitzy said:
We need to be active on two major fronts.

The first is to return another Lemieux type player in the Kreider trade. Young, cost controlled, lower ceiling but higher odds young player. Frederic would be an example.

The second is to be active once again in the NCAA undrafted FA market. There are a few guys like Zachary Aston Reese out there each year.
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Good points. Totally agree. Also think they can pick up an RFA to be or a guy whose buried under depth for a couple of picks. A 23-24 year old forward who can skate and fill a role in the top 6 and/or bottom 6.

A hockey deal shouldn't be out of the question either. Looking at Brady Skjei if he can't show signs of steady play. Moving him for a winger.
 
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Watched the CBC version of the broadcast from last night. The Leafs are shopping Bracco. That’s a name I’d be interested in
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I like him, but the numbers are misleading. He has had a lot of skating training, but isn't fast. There is no seperation speed with him, and he plays on a very good PP on a deep AHL team.

So a lot of his numbers are feasting off of a great PP. I would like to take a flyer on him.... if his speed can improve. He's got outstanding edgework... think Skinner-like... with the S-Moves and shifting laterally. But the speed isn't there.

IMO he's either a PP Specialist (a good one at that).... or a project in the vein of what Rocco Grimaldi's been able to carve out for himself.
 
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Mikos87 said:
I like him, but the numbers are misleading. He has had a lot of skating training, but isn't fast. There is no seperation speed with him, and he plays on a very good PP on a deep AHL team.

So a lot of his numbers are feasting off of a great PP. I would like to take a flyer on him.... if his speed can improve. He's got outstanding edgework... think Skinner-like... with the S-Moves and shifting laterally. But the speed isn't there.

IMO he's either a PP Specialist (a good one at that).... or a project in the vein of what Rocco Grimaldi's been able to carve out for himself.
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Hmm, seems to be a work in progress. In fairness though, based on his age, one would assume that if given a chance he would be able to score at the NHL level. Even as a secondary scorer type
 
Barnaby said:
Kreider is a unique talent that some teams could see as a missing piece. He strikes me as a guy someone will overpay for.

You obviously are attached to the player, but I think you’ve been overly optimistic on potential contracts. He might take a little less to stay here with a NTC of some sort, but I don’t think thats worth taking fewer years or leaving millions on the table. I expect someone will give him 7 million at a 6 year term. To me, that’s risky.

I also think seeing the result that a guy like Shattenkirk had will stick in his mind. He lost millions that he’ll never get back. Girardi was also bought out. Stepan was dealt across the country prior to his NTC kicking in. That has to stick on your mind.
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Overpay for a rental? Definitely.

Overpay on a long term contract? I'm not so sure.

(And yes I am attached to the player because he gives the Rangers two top lines and makes them a dangerous team. You dream about getting balance on the forward lines like this. Now if they could address the depth of the bottom six and the defensive structure issues we might actually have something here)
 
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