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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVIV

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bobbop said:
I have no doubt the money will be there. IF JVR got 5 X $ 7MM, you would think that level money will be there for Kreider.

The term, I’m not so sure. It may be available but is it going to be available in a place he wants to play? A lot of teams in the Kreider rental market (e g Boston, St. Louis) have very tight cap situations in the near term. Does he want to play in Columbus or Ottawa?

If the Rangers make a reasonable offer, it will give him a lot to think about.
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Kreider is a unique talent that some teams could see as a missing piece. He strikes me as a guy someone will overpay for.

You obviously are attached to the player, but I think you’ve been overly optimistic on potential contracts. He might take a little less to stay here with a NTC of some sort, but I don’t think thats worth taking fewer years or leaving millions on the table. I expect someone will give him 7 million at a 6 year term. To me, that’s risky.

I also think seeing the result that a guy like Shattenkirk had will stick in his mind. He lost millions that he’ll never get back. Girardi was also bought out. Stepan was dealt across the country prior to his NTC kicking in. That has to stick on your mind.
 
My biggest issue with Trouba is his contract. It's not a good look when trying to sign our own guys to a 'friendly' deal when a 'stranger' got slightly overpaid.
 
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Paulie Walnutz said:
Do you guys know what Strome is? He is what Spooner and Namestnikov were supposed to be: that middle 6 vet who insulates the kids so they don’t get mismatched. That’s exactly what’s happening now with Chytil, he’s on the third line doing his thing.
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Agree with most of this, but Names was fine doing that also.
 
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Avery16 said:
Agree with most of this, but Names was fine doing that also.
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He was a vet who could hold a shift, but he was in no way doing anything comparable to what Strome has been doing since he’s been here.

Vlad - 35 points in 99 games

Strome - 68 points in 101 games

That’s just about double the production. I get that Strome has been playing with Panarin a fair amount, but the numbers don’t lie.
 
Barnaby said:
He was a vet who could hold a shift, but he was in no way doing anything comparable to what Strome has been doing since he’s been here.

Vlad - 35 points in 99 games

Strome - 68 points in 101 games

That’s just about double the production. I get that Strome has been playing with Panarin a fair amount, but the numbers don’t lie.
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Not just playing with Panarin, but clicking with Panarin. A LOT of Stromes newfound goalscoring has Panarins name right next to it.

Also, I find Namestnikovs production in Ottawa this season more relevant to the analysis than his short time playing under AV right when he got here. He’s more of a .5 pts/GP player, which was also the case in TB.
 
Avery16 said:
Not just playing with Panarin, but clicking with Panarin. A LOT of Stromes newfound goalscoring has Panarins name right next to it.

Also, I find Namestnikovs production in Ottawa this season more relevant to the analysis than his short time playing under AV right when he got here. He’s more of a .5 pts/GP player, which was also the case in TB.
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Strome was also performing quite well last season prior to Panarin's arrival. Obviously Panarin is propelling him to new heights.

If you want to point out Strome's inflation with Panarin then you also have to point out Namestnikov's inflation in TB with Stamkos/Kucherov. Are we really blaming Namestnikov's lack of production on AV when DQ was here all of last season, and training camp this season?

I think overall Strome is clearly the superior player. I'm not saying Names is terrible, but I think he's much more of a 3rd liner while Strome has become a clear top 6 player.
 
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Barnaby said:
Strome was also performing quite well last season prior to Panarin's arrival. Obviously Panarin is propelling him to new heights.

If you want to point out Strome's inflation with Panarin then you also have to point out Namestnikov's inflation in TB with Stamkos/Kucherov. Are we really blaming Namestnikov's lack of production on AV when DQ was here all of last season, and training camp this season?

I think overall Strome is clearly the superior player. I'm not saying Names is terrible, but I think he's much more of a 3rd liner while Strome has become a clear top 6 player.
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Just a reminder- the post you replied to wasn’t about which of Strome and Namestnikov are better, but that Namestnikov was also a complementary depth forward.
 
offdacrossbar said:
we would do well resigning strome to a value contract. he's having a marvelous year. he's 26 and almost a PPG guy.

guys done everything he needs to do to be part of the this rebuild.

I expect that to happen.
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Unless Staal or Lundqvist retires, I can't see it.

DeAngelo, Strome, Lemieux, Fast, Georgiev, & Kreider and 15,000,000 in cap space. Good luck. Strome & Kreider are primary trade assets and it's going to take the rest of that $ to sign Tony, Lemieux, Fast, and Georgie.
 
Strome’s value to the Rangers will never be higher after this season

Trade him during the summer or sign him to his QO for one year.

He’s turned into a toy for Quinn which means he won’t be used as he should.
 
haohmaru said:
Unless Staal or Lundqvist retires, I can't see it.

DeAngelo, Strome, Lemieux, Fast, Georgiev, & Kreider and 15,000,000 in cap space. Good luck. Strome & Kreider are primary trade assets and it's going to take the rest of that $ to sign Tony, Lemieux, Fast, and Georgie.
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I would expect fast and Kreider are the two guys moved.

while I've loved everything quicky has done here, I don't keep him over strome given our weakness in the middle.

the 26 yr old 6'1 200+ righty centerman who can play the edge too needs to stay here. he's too valuable.
 
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offdacrossbar said:
I would expect fast and Kreider are the two guys moved.

while I've loved everything quicky has done here, I don't keep him over strome given our weakness in the middle.

the 26 yr old 6'1 200+ righty centerman who can play the edge too needs to stay here. he's too valuable.
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I like Strome, he seems like a great teammate who is very popular in the room. But we can't extend him.

He does very well with Panarin, but Panarin has done just as well away from him and Strome has been the same player he's been his entire career away from Panarin.

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Say we extend Strome at a "bargain" $5M AAV. Then Chytil develops even further and we find that Panarin performs even better with Chytil than with Strome. Suddenly we are paying Strome $5M to be an average 3C/RW.

He has a spot in our top-6 right now and is doing great. But there is likely no spot for him in the top-6 in two years time, maybe even as soon as next season.
 
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haohmaru said:
Unless Staal or Lundqvist retires, I can't see it.

DeAngelo, Strome, Lemieux, Fast, Georgiev, & Kreider and 15,000,000 in cap space. Good luck. Strome & Kreider are primary trade assets and it's going to take the rest of that $ to sign Tony, Lemieux, Fast, and Georgie.
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I would add Fast to the "going" list.
 
Blue Blooded said:
I like Strome, he seems like a great teammate who is very popular in the room. But we can't extend him.

He does very well with Panarin, but Panarin has done just as well away from him and Strome has been the same player he's been his entire career away from Panarin.

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Say we extend Strome at a "bargain" $5M AAV. Then Chytil develops even further and we find that Panarin performs even better with Chytil than with Strome. Suddenly we are paying Strome $5M to be an average 3C/RW.

He has a spot in our top-6 right now and is doing great. But there is likely no spot for him in the top-6 in two years time, maybe even as soon as next season.
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2 yr deal for strome makes total sense.

hell want more term im sure but 2/5 would be solid value and a smart play for a versatile guy who seems to mesh well anywhere in that top 9.
 
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haohmaru said:
Unless Staal or Lundqvist retires, I can't see it.

DeAngelo, Strome, Lemieux, Fast, Georgiev, & Kreider and 15,000,000 in cap space. Good luck. Strome & Kreider are primary trade assets and it's going to take the rest of that $ to sign Tony, Lemieux, Fast, and Georgie.
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Disagree. 15 million about for DeAngelo, Lemieux and Strome.

Georgie, trade bait because Shesty needs to be called up or he’s going back to Russia. Don’t remember where it was reported but remember reading he would do one year in the A at most.

Fast is going to become a bad value contract in our bottom 6 if he is resigned, not that hard to replace. Easy place to save money.

Kreider, clearly on the outs. He’s our highest value trade chip while also a little too old for our group.

15 million affords is to keep ADA Strome and Lemieux on good term contracts.
 
The team needs to continue making good decisions with the cap. Signing a 29 year old power forward to a 6-7 year deal is not a good decision. Look around. How many good contracts are signed at 29? Even premier talent signed at 29 isn’t aging well.

The logical decision is to trade Kreider at the deadline. Continue down the right path. Don’t take shortcuts.

I’m becoming more and more impressed with the way Strome supports Panarin. He did similar things with Tavares in NY.
 
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I think Fast is easily the FA that gets re-signed of the group (not counting DeAngelo)

He’s not going to be traded at the deadline, and if he doesn’t re-sign I’ll be floored.
 
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