Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVIV

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So, roughly 30 games into 2019 here's where the kids are at:

D

1. Fox -- exceeded expectations. Is already a 3-4 D. Will hit a wall soon, but he should be fine.
2. Lindgren - exceeded expectations as well. Likely a solid 5-6.
3. Hajek -- uneven. Needs time. Likely needs a stint in the minors.
4. Rykov - finally playing again. Needs time. Needs to clean up his game a bit.
5. Keane - looking fairly solid in A. Looks to have a future in the NHL.
6. TDA - finally a full time NHLer. Will have a long career. Tough to say if its the Del Zotto kind of career or the Yandle kind or something more.
7. Lundkvist -- Lights out in SHL and CHL games. May be 2nd or 3rd best young D we have in the entire system.
8. K. Miller - having a rough sophomore year. Needs to figure out how to play in his own zone. Wisconsin's youthful team means Miller's offensive numbers aren't so gaudy which means we're able to see his development more clearly. Has a lot of work to do. I would put Lundkvist ahead of him.
7. Reunanen -- not having as big of an offensive year as last. But it might be due to focusing on other areas of his game. May turn out to be the most NHL ready LD prospect after Lindgren (over Hajek, Rykov) come next season.
9. Robertson, Jones both need at least 1-2 years of cooking.

At this moment, i'd rank the NHL readiness/effectiveness of the D kids like this.

1. Fox/TDA
2. Lindgren
3. Lundkvist
4. Keane, Rykov, Hajek
5. Reunanen
6. Miller

F

1. Kakko -- with space, shows his offensive skills. Needs to work on his skating, stamina and shot. And may need a Finn around for his confidence. Really needs time.
2. Chytil -- blossoming. Is the most effective F prospect.
3. Lias -- read the news. Really has a skating and pace issue. May never make it as a full-timer. Needs to go back home and play.
4. Krav -- needs time. needs to fill out a bit. Needs to earn his opportunity. Needs to learn when to use his creativity and play a 200 ft game. IF he can stay on course, my guess is likely a good 1-2 seasons away from being a top 6-9.
5. Howden -- decent speed. plays responsibly and can handle NHL pace. But needs time and confidence to round out his game. And hopefully he has the frame to get stronger as he's having a hard time with the physicality of the league. (early season physicality pales in comparison to late season and playoffs - so he has a long way to go with strength/balance). Might be his base, might be his core. Might be both. Dom Moore made his NHL debut at 23. Hopefully Howden's game can mature to the same point by the time he's 23.
6. Buch -- a little old (like TDA) to consider him a kid. But he still battles consistency and confidence. Really, the thing that holds him back seems to be strength. He's not a weak kid, but he seems to revert to a more perimeter game due wanting to stay out of traffic. When he does that, he ends falling into a funk or receiving the ire of Quinn. Streaky player.
7. Nieves, Fogarty -- one or both should be up and playing on the 4th line. Fogarty has continued to develop his game in the A despite being an older player at this point. Nieves is what he is. A big, fast kid who can forecheck somewhat effectively and possibly play PK at the NHL.
8. Barron - hard to say how his game will ultimately translate to Pros. Not bad wheels, good size. May not be able to get off his shot at the next level. Would be great if he could be a Tyler Toffoli type.
9. Henriksson -- needs several years to cook in sweden.
10. Aaltonen - ditto in Finland.
11. Pujaniemi -- he's scoring from the same spots Kakko scored a bunch of his goals last year, minus the nifty stick handling and passing around the net. Not sure if his game will translate to the NHL. He's a kid who will need prove he has a well rounded game and can play at a higher pace to go pro in NA.

At this moment, i'd rank the NHL readiness/effectiveness of the F kids like this.

1 Chytil.
2. Buch
3. Howden
4. Nieves
5. Kakko

Everyone else is a huge question mark.

(6. Kravtsov maybe)

Would like to see all of our kids work on growing their whole game, positioning, pace, boardwork/physicality.
There's a reason why Chytil, Howden, Fox and Lindgren made the jump -- they all play 200 ft and play with pace. It's why I'm really high on Lundkvist. He's my favorite non-goaltending prospect in the entire system right now.
 
Wow, didn’t see this coming. What is up with these kids bailing so quickly? I mean it’s Lias’s D+3. Kind of ridiculous to demand a trade.
Development can wither pretty quick. It seems to many outsiders that Quinn doesn’t have Andersson in his plans. If that’s true (and there’s reason to think so based on his recent comments on Euro players) then it’s reason enough to want a shot somewhere else.
 
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Now that the Oil know JG HAS to trade LA, they aren't playing that game.
Bend over Jeffrey..SMH
 
So, roughly 30 games into 2019 here's where the kids are at:

D

1. Fox -- exceeded expectations. Is already a 3-4 D. Will hit a wall soon, but he should be fine.
2. Lindgren - exceeded expectations as well. Likely a solid 5-6.
3. Hajek -- uneven. Needs time. Likely needs a stint in the minors.
4. Rykov - finally playing again. Needs time. Needs to clean up his game a bit.
5. Keane - looking fairly solid in A. Looks to have a future in the NHL.
6. TDA - finally a full time NHLer. Will have a long career. Tough to say if its the Del Zotto kind of career or the Yandle kind or something more.
7. Lundkvist -- Lights out in SHL and CHL games. May be 2nd or 3rd best young D we have in the entire system.
8. K. Miller - having a rough sophomore year. Needs to figure out how to play in his own zone. Wisconsin's youthful team means Miller's offensive numbers aren't so gaudy which means we're able to see his development more clearly. Has a lot of work to do. I would put Lundkvist ahead of him.
7. Reunanen -- not having as big of an offensive year as last. But it might be due to focusing on other areas of his game. May turn out to be the most NHL ready LD prospect after Lindgren (over Hajek, Rykov) come next season.
9. Robertson, Jones both need at least 1-2 years of cooking.

At this moment, i'd rank the NHL readiness/effectiveness of the D kids like this.

1. Fox/TDA
2. Lindgren
3. Lundkvist
4. Keane, Rykov, Hajek
5. Reunanen
6. Miller

F

1. Kakko -- with space, shows his offensive skills. Needs to work on his skating, stamina and shot. And may need a Finn around for his confidence. Really needs time.
2. Chytil -- blossoming. Is the most effective F prospect.
3. Lias -- read the news. Really has a skating and pace issue. May never make it as a full-timer. Needs to go back home and play.
4. Krav -- needs time. needs to fill out a bit. Needs to earn his opportunity. Needs to learn when to use his creativity and play a 200 ft game. IF he can stay on course, my guess is likely a good 1-2 seasons away from being a top 6-9.
5. Howden -- decent speed. plays responsibly and can handle NHL pace. But needs time and confidence to round out his game. And hopefully he has the frame to get stronger as he's having a hard time with the physicality of the league. (early season physicality pales in comparison to late season and playoffs - so he has a long way to go with strength/balance). Might be his base, might be his core. Might be both. Dom Moore made his NHL debut at 23. Hopefully Howden's game can mature to the same point by the time he's 23.
6. Buch -- a little old (like TDA) to consider him a kid. But he still battles consistency and confidence. Really, the thing that holds him back seems to be strength. He's not a weak kid, but he seems to revert to a more perimeter game due wanting to stay out of traffic. When he does that, he ends falling into a funk or receiving the ire of Quinn. Streaky player.
7. Nieves, Fogarty -- one or both should be up and playing on the 4th line. Fogarty has continued to develop his game in the A despite being an older player at this point. Nieves is what he is. A big, fast kid who can forecheck somewhat effectively and possibly play PK at the NHL.
8. Barron - hard to say how his game will ultimately translate to Pros. Not bad wheels, good size. May not be able to get off his shot at the next level. Would be great if he could be a Tyler Toffoli type.
9. Henriksson -- needs several years to cook in sweden.
10. Aaltonen - ditto in Finland.
11. Pujaniemi -- he's scoring from the same spots Kakko scored a bunch of his goals last year, minus the nifty stick handling and passing around the net. Not sure if his game will translate to the NHL. He's a kid who will need prove he has a well rounded game and can play at a higher pace to go pro in NA.

At this moment, i'd rank the NHL readiness/effectiveness of the F kids like this.

1 Chytil.
2. Buch
3. Howden
4. Nieves
5. Kakko

Everyone else is a huge question mark.

(6. Kravtsov maybe)

Would like to see all of our kids work on growing their whole game, positioning, pace, boardwork/physicality.
There's a reason why Chytil, Howden, Fox and Lindgren made the jump -- they all play 200 ft and play with pace. It's why I'm really high on Lundkvist. He's my favorite non-goaltending prospect in the entire system right now.

Good post :thumbu:
 
So, roughly 30 games into 2019 here's where the kids are at:

D

1. Fox -- exceeded expectations. Is already a 3-4 D. Will hit a wall soon, but he should be fine.
2. Lindgren - exceeded expectations as well. Likely a solid 5-6.
3. Hajek -- uneven. Needs time. Likely needs a stint in the minors.
4. Rykov - finally playing again. Needs time. Needs to clean up his game a bit.
5. Keane - looking fairly solid in A. Looks to have a future in the NHL.
6. TDA - finally a full time NHLer. Will have a long career. Tough to say if its the Del Zotto kind of career or the Yandle kind or something more.
7. Lundkvist -- Lights out in SHL and CHL games. May be 2nd or 3rd best young D we have in the entire system.
8. K. Miller - having a rough sophomore year. Needs to figure out how to play in his own zone. Wisconsin's youthful team means Miller's offensive numbers aren't so gaudy which means we're able to see his development more clearly. Has a lot of work to do. I would put Lundkvist ahead of him.
7. Reunanen -- not having as big of an offensive year as last. But it might be due to focusing on other areas of his game. May turn out to be the most NHL ready LD prospect after Lindgren (over Hajek, Rykov) come next season.
9. Robertson, Jones both need at least 1-2 years of cooking.

At this moment, i'd rank the NHL readiness/effectiveness of the D kids like this.

1. Fox/TDA
2. Lindgren
3. Lundkvist
4. Keane, Rykov, Hajek
5. Reunanen
6. Miller

F

1. Kakko -- with space, shows his offensive skills. Needs to work on his skating, stamina and shot. And may need a Finn around for his confidence. Really needs time.
2. Chytil -- blossoming. Is the most effective F prospect.
3. Lias -- read the news. Really has a skating and pace issue. May never make it as a full-timer. Needs to go back home and play.
4. Krav -- needs time. needs to fill out a bit. Needs to earn his opportunity. Needs to learn when to use his creativity and play a 200 ft game. IF he can stay on course, my guess is likely a good 1-2 seasons away from being a top 6-9.
5. Howden -- decent speed. plays responsibly and can handle NHL pace. But needs time and confidence to round out his game. And hopefully he has the frame to get stronger as he's having a hard time with the physicality of the league. (early season physicality pales in comparison to late season and playoffs - so he has a long way to go with strength/balance). Might be his base, might be his core. Might be both. Dom Moore made his NHL debut at 23. Hopefully Howden's game can mature to the same point by the time he's 23.
6. Buch -- a little old (like TDA) to consider him a kid. But he still battles consistency and confidence. Really, the thing that holds him back seems to be strength. He's not a weak kid, but he seems to revert to a more perimeter game due wanting to stay out of traffic. When he does that, he ends falling into a funk or receiving the ire of Quinn. Streaky player.
7. Nieves, Fogarty -- one or both should be up and playing on the 4th line. Fogarty has continued to develop his game in the A despite being an older player at this point. Nieves is what he is. A big, fast kid who can forecheck somewhat effectively and possibly play PK at the NHL.
8. Barron - hard to say how his game will ultimately translate to Pros. Not bad wheels, good size. May not be able to get off his shot at the next level. Would be great if he could be a Tyler Toffoli type.
9. Henriksson -- needs several years to cook in sweden.
10. Aaltonen - ditto in Finland.
11. Pujaniemi -- he's scoring from the same spots Kakko scored a bunch of his goals last year, minus the nifty stick handling and passing around the net. Not sure if his game will translate to the NHL. He's a kid who will need prove he has a well rounded game and can play at a higher pace to go pro in NA.

At this moment, i'd rank the NHL readiness/effectiveness of the F kids like this.

1 Chytil.
2. Buch
3. Howden
4. Nieves
5. Kakko

Everyone else is a huge question mark.

(6. Kravtsov maybe)

Would like to see all of our kids work on growing their whole game, positioning, pace, boardwork/physicality.
There's a reason why Chytil, Howden, Fox and Lindgren made the jump -- they all play 200 ft and play with pace. It's why I'm really high on Lundkvist. He's my favorite non-goaltending prospect in the entire system right now.
Thank that was excellent!
 
They've really got to stop picking entitled kids. I haven't been fan of HFD's infrastructure for a while, but they've turned that around this year.

You can't have your top 10 picks wanting out so quickly. You either do your due diligence and make sure you get good pro. 2017 and 2018 looks like misses from getting players without a sense of entitlement in the top 10.

Develop a better interview process and do your due diligence.

No one wants to pay some of highest ticket prices in the league to watch a lesser product, and deal with a *****ing 21 year old as a the "reward".

It’s not easy to distinguish between cockiness and confidence in 18 year old kids.
 
wouldn’t be surprised if we tried to use andersson as a sweetener in a kreider trade to get back a little more

probably the only way we can extract some value out of him

mayyyyybe we can trade him for another disgruntled guy or longshot. maybe. idk though his value has gotta be close to nothing right now.

wouldn’t hate him going back to sweden for a few years and coming back with a new mentality.
 
I hate to bring this up but if the Coyotes kept the 7th pick, they were taking Nick Suzuki.

This is not here or there. The Rangers got that pick with an idea that at least one of the prospects that went top-6 would fall to them. With Lias’ credentials and performance at that time - I don’t blame them. Even in his D+1 season there were no red flags for concern: he was doing quite well in the SHL, his WJC was borderline excellent and he was producing really well for a teenager in the AHL.
 
This is not here or there. The Rangers got that pick with an idea that at least one of the prospects that went top-6 would fall to them. With Lias’ credentials and performance at that time - I don’t blame them. Even in his D+1 season there were no red flags for concern: he was doing quite well in the SHL, his WJC was borderline excellent and he was producing really well for a teenager in the AHL.

If I remember correctly they also tried to trade up from there to get into the top 6. What could have been...
 
My wishlist for the players/assets I would love to see Gorton trade before July 1:

1. Nils Lundkvist
He should have a huge WJC. His SHL season is unbelievable.

Will his value ever be higher? If we deal him I think it would be a good deal.

2. Ryan Strome
By far the biggest positive surprise for me this season. He has improved a lot, and been able to take that offensive game he had in Juniors to the NHL.

Same here, if we can move him, great. The value would be great. To a large extent a product of Panarin.

3. Alex Georgiev
Cash in on this asset.

4. Chris Kreider
He will be too expensive. Must be moved.

5. Our 1st in 2020
Whomever we pick in 2020 can’t be counted on to really contribute in 4-5 years. If Gorton can find someone that is — handpicked — for this team I think it’s a trade that would make a lot of sense for us.

6. Brady Skjei
I don’t think ld DEPTH could become a need for this team even if we tried to make it one.

It’s a REAL chicken move if Gorton does NOT trade him. JMHO.
 
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