Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVIV
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Amazing Kreiderman
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- Apr 11, 2011
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Would be fun to have another Austrian-born player on the Rangers since Grabner left
BKGooner
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When you look at the criteria they used to judge , he's going to be near the top.
that ranking isn't surprising at all...look at the team of the decade thread compared to the success the rangers had and hank belongs at #5 lol
this might be the worst analogy i've ever read...standards vary between age categories? you know that georgiev is YOUNGER than shesterkin right? 42 days apart in age, so even if anything you said made any sense at all, how are they not in the same 'age category' with the same 'standards'?
the standard is who is the best goalie for the new york rangers. plain and simple is georgiev better than shesterkin or another option we have. where they rank among goalies we don't have who cares...
I guess we should also trade mika cause he isn't a top 3 center in the league?
I bet he resigns in Colorado unless he wants a huge payday. Rangers should have been on him last summer. underrated player in my opinion
Glen Sathers Cigar
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Were you asleep for the entire decade?
NYR Viper
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He’s a RFA so he will be staying in Colorado unless they don’t qualify him
thanks I thought he was a UFA this year for his 1st time. it seems like he has been in the NHL forever
HatTrick Swayze
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Haha fair. But nice to see his consistency recognized which is probably his most impressive attribute which is easy to miss. Didn’t rack up the Vezinas.
The fact that the next closest NYR is in the 80s and the team had a fair amount of success (top 10 in wins by my quick math) has to help as well.
Glen Sathers Cigar
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Oh yeah for sure.
Lundqvist should have at least 3 Vezinas, but the GMs are idiots and they're the ones who vote on that award. They see high win totals as being the most important thing and also like to look at it as "his turn" type scenarios. Not sure why GMs pick that award but every other major award is voted on by PHWA.
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So the net total is the Rangers would be marginally improved from Skjei to Nurse and from Buchnevich to Nylander (at a pretty significant cap hit and) at the expense of Georgiev and Kravtsov (and +)? Color me not impressed (with the price to pay).
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Are there similar players we could get iN FA next year? We could do with more finishers. Maybe we should have traded for James Neal.
Are there similar players we could get iN FA next year? We could do with more finishers. Maybe we should have traded for James Neal.
Eh, I don’t know that Skjei to Nurse is that marginal. Nurse has been exceptional on a very bad team. Averages 22-24 minutes, just 24 years old, put up 41 points last year at 23. Great skater, physical force, good defensively. I think that’s a fairly significant upgrade. While Buch to Nylander may not be as significant statistically, I think Nylander can drive offense more than Buch who simply has the talent to contribute and he’s more of a threat that other teams key in on, opening space for linemates. Georgiev has good value in a vacuum but goalies rarely get great returns and it is a bit of a position of luxury for us right now. I probably do those trades if they were actually available.
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Admittedly there's definitely more upgrade from Skjei to Nurse than at forwards. But then what will the Rangers would need to pay Nurse on his next contract after this season? That's in addition to nearly $7m for Nylander.
Fitzy
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This is the kind of article from Brooks that is one hundred percent accurate but will make him more enemies in the NYR locker room. He deserves some of the shit he gets, but not for stuff like this.
My expectation for a Kreider deal has gone up since the Hall trade. The Devils did the Rangers a solid by moving Hall out early. Now you are left with two top 6 rentals in Toffoli (proven playoff track record, 2 cups, RH shot), and Kreider (proven playoff track record, no cups, size/speed).
A good contact of mine thinks that some teams will covet Toffoli more for the scoring ability and to have a RH shot option on the PP, but believes the price for both is going to be a in line with 1st & 2nd round equivalent. Meaning it could be 2 pieces coming back, but would not be surprised if it were 3.
So a prospect like Jamison Rees and a 2nd and 3rd isn't out of the question, or a Serron Noel and a 1st.
Not Rangers related as of now, but the belief is that once Seattle enters the league, the premium on defensemen is going to up significantly. You've got some very good 97-98 born Defensemen, but the 93-96 class has either been slow to develop, and legitimate top 4 guys aren't materializing.
What does that mean? It means the league is going to be short on top 4 defensemen that are in defensemen's prime years (24-29), and that makes it tough to have the depth you need. So teams will either rely on younger, older or lesser able players to fill out their rosters. The 2014 draft in particular has been really poor when it comes to D. It's a bit of a stretch to say that draft produced 5 top 4 defensemen. One of them is Tony D.
What does that mean for the Rangers?
If you are able to backfill and trade a Skjei or DeAngelo after the expansion draft, you will get a very big return. The Rangers were smart to load up on good young defensemen.
Recently some teams that have struggled the last few years have been given an easier schedule early in the year. The conspiratorial perspective is that it's to keep fan interest active in all markets to keep ticket sales high. It's a very smart move if true (and I strongly suspect that it is). But the schedule is normalizing now. You can expect to see some drop-off in the coming weeks.
Tampa, Toronto, and Florida are all buyers in the east, and they are buyers with the greatest amount of desperation.
A good contact of mine thinks that some teams will covet Toffoli more for the scoring ability and to have a RH shot option on the PP, but believes the price for both is going to be a in line with 1st & 2nd round equivalent. Meaning it could be 2 pieces coming back, but would not be surprised if it were 3.
So a prospect like Jamison Rees and a 2nd and 3rd isn't out of the question, or a Serron Noel and a 1st.
Not Rangers related as of now, but the belief is that once Seattle enters the league, the premium on defensemen is going to up significantly. You've got some very good 97-98 born Defensemen, but the 93-96 class has either been slow to develop, and legitimate top 4 guys aren't materializing.
What does that mean? It means the league is going to be short on top 4 defensemen that are in defensemen's prime years (24-29), and that makes it tough to have the depth you need. So teams will either rely on younger, older or lesser able players to fill out their rosters. The 2014 draft in particular has been really poor when it comes to D. It's a bit of a stretch to say that draft produced 5 top 4 defensemen. One of them is Tony D.
What does that mean for the Rangers?
If you are able to backfill and trade a Skjei or DeAngelo after the expansion draft, you will get a very big return. The Rangers were smart to load up on good young defensemen.
Recently some teams that have struggled the last few years have been given an easier schedule early in the year. The conspiratorial perspective is that it's to keep fan interest active in all markets to keep ticket sales high. It's a very smart move if true (and I strongly suspect that it is). But the schedule is normalizing now. You can expect to see some drop-off in the coming weeks.
Tampa, Toronto, and Florida are all buyers in the east, and they are buyers with the greatest amount of desperation.
NYR Viper
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A young guy like Julien Gauthier would be someone who could develop into that. I think the goal should be to develop Kaako and Kravtsov
That Brooks article probably changes the conversation for teams in regards to trading for Georgiev. It's no longer "hey, we want to trade for your backup" or "We want the guy who is splitting starts with Lundqvist." Now Gorton can say that it's not just trade negotiations, that Georgie is the guy they're rolling with and if they want to pry him away they have to pay accordingly.
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The same reason we traded for Fox.
I believe he has 1 year left until UFA, similar to ADA.
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