Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVIV

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Kakko and Panarin clearly weren't clicking, and kakkos development is my #1 priority this season, so I'm open to all possibilities.

Also interested to see if Chytil can learn to slowly take over Strome's minutes and role as the season goes on.
 
why? Rangers are not forced to trade him. what don't fans understand.
I gotta ask what fans like you dont understand...

No one is saying they have to trade him. But we have been discussing taking advantage of a desperate team that needs goaltending help. We have Shesty who should be getting NHL time right now. You capitalize on having a surplus in one area to fix holes in others. This is very simple logic.
 
maybe as a throw in but if he is the main piece in any Kreider trade, Rangers should look elsewhere
Ya I'd absolutely need more tied in, it's funny because in the summer I suggested something along the lines of Bowers+Kamanev and a 2nd round pick for Kreids
 
Anyone have any good 4C targets in mind? I'd love them to get one with a bit of term to stabilize that line looking forward. IMO you shouldn't have a kid in that position unless you're very sure that kid's ceiling isn't any higher. I'm not the biggest Howden fan, but I suspect there's still a good amount of hope around the organization that he can be more than a fourth liner.
 
Anyone have any good 4C targets in mind? I'd love them to get one with a bit of term to stabilize that line looking forward. IMO you shouldn't have a kid in that position unless you're very sure that kid's ceiling isn't any higher. I'm not the biggest Howden fan, but I suspect there's still a good amount of hope around the organization that he can be more than a fourth liner.

Right now? Lias Andersson and Josh Dunne.

But if you want a veteran, I wouldn't go for term just yet. Maybe a short Brian Boyle reunion
 
Right now? Lias Andersson and Josh Dunne.

But if you want a veteran, I wouldn't go for term just yet. Maybe a short Brian Boyle reunion
Well they absolutely missed the boat on that last part.

The 4th line has been a disaster this year. Right now having that depth could be the difference of 2-4 more points in the standings which puts them right at the wild card spot.

I got crucified by some for the idea of bringing Boyle back. But here we are with a garbage 4th line. Making the playoffs would be every bit as beneficial for this group of kids as it would be to miss the playoffs and have the chance* at getting into the top 10, if not more. Because imo i think this team ultimately misses the playoffs by 3-5 points and that 11-15 1st round pick, while still helpful, may not be more important than the experience the kids would have gotten playing in the playoffs.
 
Well they absolutely missed the boat on that last part.

The 4th line has been a disaster this year. Right now having that depth could be the difference of 2-4 more points in the standings which puts them right at the wild card spot.

I got crucified by some for the idea of bringing Boyle back. But here we are with a garbage 4th line. Making the playoffs would be every bit as beneficial for this group of kids as it would be to miss the playoffs and have the chance* at getting into the top 10, if not more. Because imo i think this team ultimately misses the playoffs by 3-5 points and that 11-15 1st round pick, while still helpful, may not be more important than the experience the kids would have gotten playing in the playoffs.

The inability for the organization to produce home grown 4th liners is baffling.
 
Panarin Strome Buch
Kreider Zibs Fast
Lemmy Chytil Kakko -> I love it.
McKegg Howden Smith

Hopefully Kakko can feed off of that energy..... there's a diabetic joke here but I'm too lazy to search it through. Lemmy and Lias helped Buch get going last year, coming off of his injury
 
I gotta ask what fans like you dont understand...

No one is saying they have to trade him. But we have been discussing taking advantage of a desperate team that needs goaltending help. We have Shesty who should be getting NHL time right now. You capitalize on having a surplus in one area to fix holes in others. This is very simple logic.

I don't get why they can't have Shesty and Georgiev after Hank leaves? we got a good situation with goalies. only make a trade if it helps the Rangers, not to help Georgiev be a #1 somewhere else
 
I don't get why they can't have Shesty and Georgiev after Hank leaves? we got a good situation with goalies. only make a trade if it helps the Rangers, not to help Georgiev be a #1 somewhere else

I think for most people, the concern is that Shesty will need to be in the NHL either this year or next. Hank and Georgiev will as well. That’s 3 goalies for a full season which isn’t ideal.
 
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I don't get why they can't have Shesty and Georgiev after Hank leaves? we got a good situation with goalies. only make a trade if it helps the Rangers, not to help Georgiev be a #1 somewhere else

Do you really think it's fair to Shesty to have to wait another year, playing in the AHL making 70k, before he gets his chance to play in the NHL? He has an out clause in his contract for next year, so why wouldn't he go back to the KHL and make a lot more money in that scenario? He's already playing the good soldier this year and putting his career on hold out of respect for Lundqvist, but there's a limit to that patience, I'm sure.

He has proven himself at every level except the NHL. He needs to get NHL games to prove he can be a starting goalie. How does he get those games with both Hank and Georgiev here? Something has to give. If that's Hank retiring, accepting a trade or being bought out, then yeah, we can probably keep both Georgiev and Shesty for a while. If not, then someone else has to go. We aren't going to carry 3 goalies at the NHL level. I suppose they could just loan Shesty back to the KHL next year, but then his contract is up, and who says he doesn't decide to just stay there? Or maybe he asks for a trade so he can get an opportunity elsewhere if he feels like Georgiev has already earned the #1 job.

No matter what, it's a messy situation. There's no easy answer. I wish we could just wait out Hank's contract and then bring up Shesty, but the timing just doesn't work.
 
I don't get why they can't have Shesty and Georgiev after Hank leaves? we got a good situation with goalies. only make a trade if it helps the Rangers, not to help Georgiev be a #1 somewhere else
Shesterkin needs to be in the NHL. That means you either have to demote Georgiev (unwarranted, unfair) or wait another whole season for Shesterkin to debut (also not fair). We have three goalies that need to be in the NHL and only two spots.
 
Shesterkin needs to be in the NHL. That means you either have to demote Georgiev (unwarranted, unfair) or wait another whole season for Shesterkin to debut (also not fair). We have three goalies that need to be in the NHL and only two spots.

Rangers already missed the boat on that one. Georgiev has played too many games now. Can't be sent down without going through waivers first.
 
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The inability for the organization to produce home grown 4th liners is baffling.

Most teams don't really develop a home grown 4th liner. Players typically start there and move up due to losing other players, or become 3rd liners.

Think about the really good teams we had, our 4th liners were:

Boyle (traded for but developed by us, but eventually moved to another team and actually played on their 3rd line)
Carcillo (UFA)
Dorsett (traded and when he left became more than a 4th liner)
Moore (UFA, was Rangers property, but we got him back at the end of his career, 3rd liner most of the time)
Glass (UFA)
Lindberg (never established himself as a full time NHL)
Nieves (see above)
Pirri (brilliant or awful)

The really good teams have a 4th line that is guys that fit in on a specific team/style OR have the depth where that player would be on a bunch of teams 3rd lines. Hell, even Fast, who everyone says would be a great 4th line player moves around a lot due to him actually being a decent 3rd line player.

What we lack at this time are guys that should be coming through the system that establish themselves on the 4th line and move up as guys move out or they start outproducing players. At this time, our 4th line options are a converted defender, a young center we hope turns into a 3C, a journeyman (McKegg), and a goon. Our AHLers are more of the AAAA player type. Gettinger is probably the only guy who could come up and play 4th line minutes with a future in the organization. It works for this team because the hope is that sooner rather than later our guys will be coming up and then eventually filling in for the losses of a Kreider, Strome, Fast, etc and bumping down some other players.

When we plan on contending, the 4th line will get a boost from UFA or a small trade. Bad/average teams (currently the Rangers) do not have good 4th lines.
 
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Unless you have a really good feeling that Georgiev will become a top 3 guy in the entire NHL, I think that we should trade him.

Start anew. Hank and Shesty next season, while we pick up someone undrafted to groom next to Huska in the AHL. Should be an attractive location.

Geo would fetch a decent return, I doubt a 1st but like a 2nd and a 3rd. If we keep him he will start making a lot more money instantly.

Most GMs are sitting on their hands out there. Give Gorton ammunition and he will get things done. Moving Geo gives us more ammo, more room to work with.
 
Skjei/Georgiev + Kravtsov for W. Nylander
Buchnevich + ??? for Nurse

Leafs need a G and LD. Muzzin is a UFA.

Oilers need all the forwards.

Nurse-Trouba would be tough shutdown pair.

I will take a Foxy-Nurse pairing pls
 
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