Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVIII

[True Blue]

So sure, Frederic+ Would be an interesting return for Kreider. Highly doubt they would move Studnicka, whose name is just too perfect to trade.

They are not moving Studnicka. Frederic, Beecher + 1st?

 

[Edge]

Via trade, I would take Studnicka, Kaut and Newhook off the table. I know people like those names, but it's unlikely at best.

You're not getting those guys for a rental of Kreider.

 

[Fitzy]

They are not moving Studnicka. Frederic, Beecher + 1st?

Seems high to me. I see the 1st being only conditional on Kreider re-signing wherever he is dealt.

Beecher is also basically like adding another low 1st/ high second to the deal. That deal you posted is more than what Rick Nash got. I'd put it at highly unlikely.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Via trade, I would take Studnicka, Kaut and Newhook off the table. I know people like those names, but it's unlikely at best.

You're not getting those guys for a rental of Kreider.

Edge when speaking about Colorado you've consistently spoke about these two guys being unavailable...but I notice that you've never said that about Byram

 

[Fitzy]

The saga continues.

 

[NYR Viper]

This is the best news I have gotten all week

 

[Edge]

Edge when speaking about Colorado you've consistently spoke about these two guys being unavailable...but I notice that you've never said that about Byram

LOL, oh lawd. That's how I end up chasing things down for the next 6 months.

Kidding aside though, there's an interest in Jost, and I think Colorado is more open to moving him more than they are other options, but it hasn't materialized.

There's the moves the Rangers would be willing to make, the moves other teams are willing to make, and then there's the narrow cross section where those two concepts meet. So while there are players the Rangers like, and assets other teams like, we'll have to see how things line up.

 

[DanielBrassard]

This is the best news I have gotten all week

This is definitely more exciting than him going back that's for sure LOL

 

[True Blue]

We don't really need a volume shooter or to shoot more. Spamming low percentage chances on goal is no better than shooting less but trying to create better chances.

The more shots you put on goal, the more chances of the puck going behind the goalie, no? Also the more opportunities for rebounds.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

LOL, oh lawd. That's how I end up chasing things down for the next 6 months.

Kidding aside though, there's an interest in Jost, and I think Colorado is more open to moving him more than they are other options, but it hasn't materialized.

There's the moves the Rangers would be willing to make, the moves other teams are willing to make, and then there's the narrow cross section where those two concepts meet. So while there are players the Rangers like, and assets other teams like, we'll have to see how things line up.

I think at this point it's obvious that Kreider by himself is not going to bring back a bonanza, but what about in a package? Is something like that feasible?

If the Rangers aren't going to be able to pry top prospects away from other teams with what they have, then my thinking is the only way they are getting more of these good young players is by drafting them and by being bad enough to get the best young players.

Once again thank you for always indulging us.

 

[SA16]

yea because signing trash like Brashear Haley and other 4th liners has worked well in the past. i mean the Islanders can develop someone like Casey Cizikas, as a 4th liner why can't the Rangers, Bruins develop Danton Heinen etc

I don't believe I advocated signing Brashear, Haley or players like that.

Brian Boyle got 940k.
Derick Brassard got 1.2M

It is possible to sign the good depth players and not sign the terrible ones.

 

[offdacrossbar]

at some point we will all have to realize that a rental chris kreider may not be worth nearly what we want for him. his numbers are very meh

im sure at some point the discussion will circle back to just keeping him and hope he signs at a discount rather than move him for less than we expect back. i hope not.

kinda like that used car that has less trade value that you thought so you just keep it hoping to sell it to some doofus who falls in love with it.

 

[NernieBichols]

I don't think Arizona is the Rangers first choice for a trading partner.

I think they're probably more curious about a potential deal with Boston or Colorado.

To me this hints that the rangers like Boston and Colorado prospects borderline ready players more so than arizona’s

 

[bobbop]

To me this hints that the rangers like Boston and Colorado prospects borderline ready players more so than arizona’s

Arizona's organization is not terribly deep and as you expect, it's hands off Hayton and Soderstrom. Also, Crouse is their Lemieux and very unlikely to be moved. Any Arizona trade this year is going to be primarily picks.

There is an appealing part though...they don't have a lot of cap room, the new owner is very anxious to make the playoffs and they are inclined to move picks for players. Kreider is not a big cap hit to begin and the Rangers have plenty of cap room to retain and take back a contract. Chayka is getting a contract extension but Tocchet has not gotten one yet. He needs the playoffs more than anyone else.

 

[NYRangers16]

How is he wrong though? We have complained for years about defensive depth, especially on the right side. Now, we have an absolutely STACKED right side and people are ready to move out ADA for a shiny new toy.

Late to responding but worth a response. In an uncapped world, being stacked is wonderful. In a capped NHL, you have to prioritize and the reality is Fox and Trouba are our longterm 1 and 2 RDs. You don’t pay a 3RD 5-6m. That’s bad cap management that will lead to problems keeping our other future free agents. Again, this isn’t an issue now. It will be an issue as his likely bridge deal is ending.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

They're not going to get a good deal (which Gorton's expectations for a deal seemed high from the start), so sign him to a contract that immediately is bad and the team will regret?

Makes no sense. Get what you can and cut your losses

Gorton's known for a while he had no interest in bringing back Kreider. It's the same thing with rental players from last year. The team freeze's these guys out, makes it painfully obvious to everyone they don't want to re-sign them, and then at the last second try to come back to the negotiating table because the deals aren't materializing as they thought

 

[NYR Viper]

Late to responding but worth a response. In an uncapped world, being stacked is wonderful. In a capped NHL, you have to prioritize and the reality is Fox and Trouba are our longterm 1 and 2 RDs. You don’t pay a 3RD 5-6m. That’s bad cap management that will lead to problems keeping our other future free agents. Again, this isn’t an issue now. It will be an issue as his likely bridge deal is ending.

See if this was a 3RW I would somewhat understand this. However your 3RD, with prime PP time, very well may play 18 minutes a night. That's not an insignificant amount of time on ice every game

 

[True Blue]

The team freeze's these guys out, makes it painfully obvious to everyone they don't want to re-sign them, and then at the last second try to come back to the negotiating table because the deals aren't materializing as they thought

Krieder doe not feel like he is frozen out. I think there was an interview in which he said as such.

 

[NYRangers16]

at some point we will all have to realize that a rental chris kreider may not be worth nearly what we want for him. his numbers are very meh

im sure at some point the discussion will circle back to just keeping him and hope he signs at a discount rather than move him for less than we expect back. i hope not.

kinda like that used car that has less trade value that you thought so you just keep it hoping to sell it to some doofus who falls in love with it.

I think this is a fantasy. Kreider isn’t discounting himself and the Rangers aren’t going to let him go for nothing. We might just have to accept a meh haul for a player with hands of steel who takes games off way too often.

 

[NYRangers16]

See if this was a 3RW I would somewhat understand this. However your 3RD, with prime PP time, very well may play 18 minutes a night. That's not an insignificant amount of time on ice every game

I disagree because both Fox and Trouba are equally as capable on the PP. And also, there are quality 3rd line forwards making those numbers.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Krieder doe not feel like he is frozen out. I think there was an interview in which he said as such.

His representatives haven't discussed an extension with the team at all. He's literally just waiting on the chopping block for it to happen

Maybe this year they told him early "hey you're being traded" but I doubt it

 

[True Blue]

I think this is a fantasy. Kreider isn’t discounting himself and the Rangers aren’t going to let him go for nothing.

While I do believe that where there is smoke, there is fire and thus Kreider gets dealt, there is a path for him to stay. It is not impossible that he and Gorton can find a middle ground as far as his contract goes if he wants to stay with the only franchise that he has ever played at and continue to be a part of the leadership group on the other side of the rebuild. He sees what the Rangers are building and could want to be a part of it. In which case, Buchnevich probably gets shipped out.

We might just have to accept a meh haul for a player with hands of steel who takes games off way too often.

A first line player of his caliber and with the playoff pedigree that he has, can certainly bring back something like what Hayes got. The Bruins pick will be one of the last in the first round. I do not think that holds up a potential deal.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Also I agree, you cannot lock up huge dollars to your right side. That's why you bridge Tony in the summer and then if Keane or Lundkvist progress, trade him when his contract is up

 

[Gardner McKay]

Late to responding but worth a response. In an uncapped world, being stacked is wonderful. In a capped NHL, you have to prioritize and the reality is Fox and Trouba are our longterm 1 and 2 RDs. You don’t pay a 3RD 5-6m. That’s bad cap management that will lead to problems keeping our other future free agents. Again, this isn’t an issue now. It will be an issue as his likely bridge deal is ending.

But he isn't really a 3RD. Maybe on our depth chart but he produces like a top 4 guy. What is wrong with paying ADA 5 million a year? I don't see his value taking a big hit and should you ever need to trade him, you could get a hefty return. I just don't think we should consider trading him until absolutely necessary.