Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVIII

[Fitzy]

I’d like to place an order for one volume shooter. Thank you.

You called?

 

[aufheben]

You called?

Touche. I’m basically sorting all forwards by shot attempts and looking for bottom-6 players that would actually be affordable lol. Someone like Oliver Bjorkstrand on Columbus maybe; already 163 shot attempts this season. He’s having a good year though so probably not realistic. Tyler Toffoli? Ilya Mikheyev on Toronto is someone I like.

 

[SA16]

We don't really need a volume shooter or to shoot more. Spamming low percentage chances on goal is no better than shooting less but trying to create better chances.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Id do things to get Keller on the Rangers

 

[RangersFan1994]

Id do things to get Keller on the Rangers

no thanks. would cost too much tradewise, but as an UFA or RFA I would take that chance.

 

[aufheben]

We don't really need a volume shooter or to shoot more. Spamming low percentage chances on goal is no better than shooting less but trying to create better chances.

That may be true but it’s driving me nuts.

 

[Trxjw]

I'm still hoping that Shero over prices Hall and Kreider for Jost and a high pick looks palatable by comparison for Sakic. I think Jost is a great buy-low opportunity. I think Frederic has a good chance to be a solid bottom-six player with some bite in his game, and we need players like that, but I'd prefer a guy like Jost who has the overall game to be a 3rd line player, but the skill to potentially blossom into a top-six guy.

 

[East Coast Bias]

no thanks. would cost too much tradewise, but as an UFA or RFA I would take that chance.

Well he's in year -1 of an 8 year deal. So it's going to be awhile.

His contract kicks in next season and takes him to UFA in 2028

 

[SA16]

Have to say I don't really understand the point in trying to trade for a "bottom-six" type player in Frederic when we can just sign an older guy like that in FA every season for a cheap deal - for example Boyle this season (not that I wanted to sign him - just an example). I would much prefer to just get lotto tickets in the draft and hope you actually hit it big than take the safe high ceiling/low floor guy you can get in the offseason anyway.

 

[Rongomania]

I think Gorts is being patient. He probably sees that players like ADA and Lundvkvist are both trending upward, so let them continue to do so. It will only increase their trade values. Let's let things play out a bit. There will be lethal wingers up for grabs next year as well.

What a time to be alive, man.

 

[aufheben]

Have to say I don't really understand the point in trying to trade for a "bottom-six" type player in Frederic when we can just sign an older guy like that in FA every season for a cheap deal - for example Boyle this season (not that I wanted to sign him - just an example). I would much prefer to just get lotto tickets in the draft and hope you actually hit it big than take the safe high ceiling/low floor guy you can get in the offseason anyway.

Well I’m thinking in terms of trading Kreider and how Hayes returned Lemieux.

 

[SA16]

Well I’m thinking in terms of trading Kreider and how Hayes returned Lemieux.

Lemieux may actually have some offensive ability to be much more than a 4th liner. He was, at the least, a very good AHL scorer in his last year there and was scoring at a strong rate in WPG last year in very limited ice time. Frederic isn't even putting up much offense in the AHL despite (probably) being in a role that should be conducive to that.

 

[aufheben]

Lemieux may actually have some offensive ability to be much more than a 4th liner. He was, at the least, a very good AHL scorer in his last year there and was scoring at a strong rate in WPG last year in very limited ice time. Frederic isn't even putting up much offense in the AHL despite (probably) being in a role that should be conducive to that.

Oh I don’t even know who Frederic is.

 

[SA16]

Oh I don’t even know who Frederic is.

One of the 1000 Boston prospects that aren't particularly great.

 

[NYR Viper]

One of the 1000 Boston prospects that aren't particularly great.

Many people said the same thing about Lemieux (not Boston specifically) and Lindgren

 

[Ola]

We don't really need a volume shooter or to shoot more. Spamming low percentage chances on goal is no better than shooting less but trying to create better chances.

I agree, and just asking out of curiosity, are there stats to back this up?

And especially think it’s important to not take shots when you don’t have people in place to win a fight for a rebound.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Yeah, the only BOS prospect I'm really intrigued by is Studnicka, and I can't see them trading him for a rental. If I had to pick from the rest, I'd opt for Beecher (also unlikely to be dealt for a rental), Lauko, or Zboril. BOS just doesn't strike me as an optimal trading partner right now.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Have to say I don't really understand the point in trying to trade for a "bottom-six" type player in Frederic when we can just sign an older guy like that in FA every season for a cheap deal - for example Boyle this season (not that I wanted to sign him - just an example). I would much prefer to just get lotto tickets in the draft and hope you actually hit it big than take the safe high ceiling/low floor guy you can get in the offseason anyway.

yea because signing trash like Brashear Haley and other 4th liners has worked well in the past. i mean the Islanders can develop someone like Casey Cizikas, as a 4th liner why can't the Rangers, Bruins develop Danton Heinen etc

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

Touche. I’m basically sorting all forwards by shot attempts and looking for bottom-6 players that would actually be affordable lol. Someone like Oliver Bjorkstrand on Columbus maybe; already 163 shot attempts this season. He’s having a good year though so probably not realistic. Tyler Toffoli? Ilya Mikheyev on Toronto is someone I like.

Any interest in getting another look at Lettieri?

 

[Tawnos]

Lemieux may actually have some offensive ability to be much more than a 4th liner. He was, at the least, a very good AHL scorer in his last year there and was scoring at a strong rate in WPG last year in very limited ice time. Frederic isn't even putting up much offense in the AHL despite (probably) being in a role that should be conducive to that.

At 20 years old, Lemieux put up 19 points in 67 games in the AHL. At 20 years old, Frederic put up 25 points in 55 games. Now, granted at 21 this year, Frederic's production hasn't yet improved at the AHL level. But there's still that possibility with him.

Also, signing bottom-6ers off the free agent market is exactly what you want to stay away from.

 

[NYR Viper]

At 20 years old, Lemieux put up 19 points in 67 games in the AHL. At 20 years old, Frederic put up 25 points in 55 games. Now, granted at 21 this year, Frederic's production hasn't yet improved at the AHL level. But there's still that possibility with him.

Also, signing bottom-6ers off the free agent market is exactly what you want to stay away from.

It's also becoming more and more difficult to find guys who have skill and can play with an edge consistently. It's pretty rare in today's NHL

 

[True Blue]

Yeah, so, Ill wait until DeAngelo actually becomes a 60 point defenseman before even beginning to worry about this stuff.

If you look at where he has been trending since he got in the line up full time last year, and what he is doing now, that is where he is trending. It is more than just what has been happening this year.

And as far as waiting, I would absolutely be willing to wait to find out.

 

[True Blue]

Their ice time is almost identical. I don't see anyone suggesting that ADA should be traded now. By all means, re-sign him. But it's likely that a decision will be coming in the future as young guys start to push for spots.

When I see things like moving him because of how well Lundqvist is doing in SEL or because you do not want Keane to langquish in Hartford, that suggests the thought process to move him

If and when ADA gets traded, it won't be for futures. It will be for a player who helps us in an area of weakness. If you could trade ADA for a left-handed Trouba, would you do it? What about for a left-handed ADA or a left-handed Fox?

I agree that IF he is traded, it will be for a young impact player. Probably a forward. But all depends on what happens at TDL this year. Would I trade him for a left handed version of himself or Fox? No. Would I for a left Trouba? Probably. But that is not a decision that I can make now. Again, more clarity will come after the TDL

 

[True Blue]

The Rangers are loaded with right-side Dmen.

How and where are they loaded with RD? Surely you cannot be creating a logjam that does not exist by including Lundqvist and Keane? Including those does not create a log jam. It show shows what else is down the river. And pretty far down the river.

I can't stand when people attribute a point total to a player who has yet to hit it.

But stating that the Rangers are loaded with players by including players who have either not stepped a toe onto NHL ice is more realistic?

 

[True Blue]

This whole conversation is jumping the gun. Im not sure why fans can't enjoy the development of both Fox and DeAngelo without worrying about their next contracts and long-term ramifications. When you attribute benchmarks to a player that he's yet to ever reach, it muddies the issue even further.

That is essentially my point in the whole Fox/DeAngelo debate. Why are we even talking about trading them when and IF the issue even comes about, it is years away?